When Suicidal Thoughts Do Not Go Away

The popular image of someone who is in danger of suicide goes like this: A person has suicidal thoughts. It’s a crisis. The person gets help, and the crisis resolves within days or weeks.

That’s the popular image, and thankfully it does happen for many people. But for others, suicidal thoughts do not go away. Their suicidal thoughts become chronic.

The pattern of chronic suicidal thoughts is similar to that of a person with any other kind of chronic condition: For some people, there are flare-ups where the condition is far worse than normal, and then the symptoms subside, but only temporarily. And for other people, the symptoms never subside. Those people live with their symptoms – in this case, suicidal thoughts – every day.

Who Is Prone to Chronic Suicidal Thoughts?

Chronic suicidal thoughts are especially common in people with borderline personality disorder, an illness characterized by unstable emotions and identity; impulsive, often self-destructive actions; and turbulent relationships. The psychiatrist Joel Paris notes that, for many people with borderline personality disorder, “suicidality becomes a way of life.”

However, chronic suicidal thoughts can occur in concert with other mental illnesses, such as recurrent episodes of depression, or with no illness at all.

Many people who regularly have suicidal thoughts have considered suicide for so long that it feels normal to them. Some have thought of suicide ever since they were young children. And some have made multiple suicide attempts, sometimes so many that they lost track long ago.

Why Chronic Suicidal Thoughts Persist

Often, intense, ongoing psychological pain fuels chronic suicidal thoughts. But even seemingly minor challenges can intensify the wish to die.

Frank King captures this dynamic well in his TedX talk, A Matter of Laugh or DeathAlthough King is a comedian, he provides this example in all seriousness:

“See, people don’t understand. Let’s say my car breaks down. I have three choices: Get it fixed, get a new one, or I could just kill myself. I know, doesn’t that sound absurd? But that thought actually pops into my head… It’s always on the menu.”

Some people say it comforts them to know they can die by suicide if ever the pain of life gets to be too much for them. The soothing nature of having an escape has led some experts to refer to “suicide fantasy as life-sustaining recourse.”

As the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche stated, “The thought of suicide is a great consolation: by means of it one gets successfully through many a bad night.”

The Danger of Chronic Suicidal Thoughts

By Dese’Rae Lynn Stage

Even if suicidal thoughts provide some form of escapism and relief, it does not mean that chronic suicidal thoughts are harmless. The more someone thinks of suicide, the more they might get used to the idea. This can weaken their inhibitions and fears about suicide.

Also, chronic suicidal thoughts typically indicate that an unhealed wound needs healing, whether that wound arises from past trauma, mental illness, grave loss, or some other cause.

Even for people who do not view their recurrent suicidal thoughts as a problem, it certainly is better if they can come up with other escape fantasies besides death. Better yet, they can be helped to develop problem-solving abilities, coping skills, hopefulness, and reasons for living that will make the option of suicide unnecessary.

Therapy for Chronic Suicidal Thoughts

For someone with chronic suicidal ideation, therapy tends to take longer than it does for someone in an acute crisis. The goals of therapy are not only to keep a person safe, but also to help them develop the skills and resources that will weaken suicide’s allure. Dialectical behavior therapy has been effective at reducing suicide attempts and suicidal ideation in people with borderline personality disorder and chronic suicidality.

Often, it is not a realistic goal for a person with longstanding suicidal thoughts to stop thinking of suicide. Suicidal thinking has become a habit. And nobody can control what thoughts come to them, only how they respond to the thoughts.

One way for someone to respond constructively is to observe their suicidal thoughts with curiosity and detachment. Some of my therapy clients say to themselves something like, “That’s not my real self talking. That’s my depression (or stress, or post-traumatic stress, or some other condition) talking.”

Mindfulness can be especially useful. The psychologist Marsha Linehan, PhD, developed DBT, which essentially is a form of cognitive behavior therapy combined with principles from Zen Buddhism. She uses a metaphor of a train passing by: You can sit on a hill and watch the cars of the train pass, or you can jump onto one of them and get carried away by it.

When to Panic – and Not to Panic – about Chronic Suicidality

So if you know someone with chronic suicidal thoughts, you don’t need to respond as though it is an emergency every time they think of suicide. That would be a lot of emergencies. Chronic suicidal thoughts often are manageable and the person stays safe in spite of them.

Danger occurs when the suicidal thoughts have intensified to such a degree that the person is intent on acting on their suicidal thoughts within hours or days. That is an emergency.

If the person is simply having the same thoughts that they have had for many years, don’t panic. Instead, compassionately listen and empathize with the person. Ask how you can be of help. Talk with the person about resources they can use, like the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (800-273-8255) or the Crisis Text Line (741-741). Also talk about how they can keep their environment safe, like by removing firearms from the home.

Chronic suicidal thoughts are not ideal, but they also are not a crisis if there is no intent to kill oneself soon. As odd as it sounds, the option of suicide might be the very thing that helps some people to stay alive.

Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW, is the author of “Helping the Suicidal Person: Tips and Techniques for Professionals.” This post originally appeared in slightly revised form at insurancethoughtleadership.com/understanding-person-with-suicidal-thoughts/.

Copyright 2018 by Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW. Written for SpeakingOfSuicide.com. All Rights Reserved. Photos purchased from Fotolia.com.

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  1. Anom says:

    I am currently going through a very hard time a possible devorce. I have been fighting to get back on track but I am failing. I have attempted to end my life a few times not recently. But I do not take things very well with anxiety depression I am falling apart and ask for help.i feel so alone with no one to talk to and I am just ready to end it all ,but this time is different I have a 4 yr doughter that I love very much and I dont know what to do any more.

  2. Earl says:

    I have had suicidal thoughts all my life and recently they have gotten worse because in Jan 2017 my girlfriend claimed I did something unspeakable to her. Back then she said she had got tripped and flashed to her childhood. I was so distraught I didn’t know what to do. I unfortunately Googled what I thought was going on and got ideas on how to help. It was a big mistake on my part. She was even more convinced I had done what she accused me of. I couldn’t live with the thought of her thinking I did along with her being in so much pain. So I took a lot of pills and thankfully failed at my attempt to kill myself. Soon after she started acting like nothing had happened didn’t even want to acknowledge what I had done. So with not knowing anything else to do I put it behind me and tried my best to be mindful with her and her past.Yes we had some issues but nothing like that and we were able to talk it through . This Jan. six days before the date of that awful night 2 years ago she flips out on me telling me she can’t see me anymore and that she can’t be with someone who would do such a thing. I was so confused I tried talking to her. She said it was because of what I did in Jan 2017 and the abuse she has endured since. I asked what abuse and she just kept yelling at me saying i knew and that I was there. She gave me all my stuff back and told me to never contact her again and that I needed to face what I have done to her. That she wasn’t going to be around to help divert me from facing myself what a gift. I have been so devastated and confused. I have no idea. I have not even raised my voice in frustration toward her. I have just wanted to die. No one I talk to helps they just say you know you didn’t do what she says right and of course I didn’t do it. So then I get told she’s just nuts and for me to let it go let her go. That does not help me at all. The woman I love is hurting thinking I am a monster and it does not really matter to me if it’s only in her head it’s real to her. My soul feels like its dying. I feel so crazy because I do feel some how it is my fault with realizing that in my attempt with helping in 2017 I must have made it real to her. I feel so messed up what is this life for if things like this is real and not on TV. I am so glad I gave my sister my guns it would be so easy in my grief to pull the trigger. It was more apparent with each day that she didn’t want anything to do with me. I know better than to communicate with her I have learned not to with smaller things that have happened. It makes things worse. I passed by her in the car today and she looked so cold like someone I did not recognize she was in her car with her ex. I have been feeling so irrational and depressed I didn’t go to work today and tomorrow is not looking too good. Now with knowing she’s with her ex makes me feel so much more worthless, confused and rejected with a mix of anger. I don’t know how much I can take. I feel so lost I have no idea what the hell is going on and the pain keeps building I really want this to end. I am started to have thoughts about parking my truck upfront of her house and doing the hose tailpipe thing. My obsessive thoughts seem to be on a consistent loop. Family is coming over and spending the night. They don’t understand. Right now I don’t either.

  3. Randall P. Robinson says:

    One distressed commentator to this thread wrote, “What a loser I am. Why was I born? I’m worth more dead than alive. I need to die. I am a waste of space. Life has been wasted on me. God blew it. And I want to go but I know it will hurt the kids.” We can be thankful that this struggling individual recognizes, at least on some level, the wake of devastation that will be wreaked in the lives of his loved ones should he chose to exercise the ultimate unfortunate perceived solution to his problems. This may be the only thing keeping him alive.

    In his book “When All You Ever Wanted Isn’t Enough”, Rabbi Harold S. Kusher observes, “Our souls are hungry for meaning, for the sense that we have figured out how to live so that our lives matter, so that the world will be at least a little bit different for our having passed through it. What frustrates us and robs our lives of joy is this absence of meaning… Does our being alive matter?”

    For all of those people who repeatedly ask themselves the question, “Does my being alive matter?”, I propose a simplistic answer to one of life’s most problematic questions. Yes, your life matters! It matters to the people who have tattooed a semi-colon to the inside of their wrists. It matters to the people who have received the horrific news of a loved one’s death from suicide (as I have) who continually fight feelings of guilt, regret, and self-blame in not having been able to keep their loved ones alive. It matters to the people who will be called upon to pay your funeral expenses and to the surprising number of mourners who will show up at your funeral to offer comfort and support to your family. It matters to the bride who will never have her father walk her down the aisle at her wedding. It matters to your grandchildren who will be deprived of your warmth and laughter. It matters to great multitudes of people you may not have even stopped to consider.

    Yes, your life matters. Choose life. Your family and loved ones will appreciate your strength and determination in making a conscious decision to persevere in spite of the array of dark forces that have allayed against you. Be strong…be courageous — for their sake and yours. You can do this.

  4. Kate says:

    I want to die but I have no means of doing so. I’m seventeen and I have been experiencing these thoughts since I was ten. I used to have a clear vision of what true happiness felt like, but this vision has gradually faded and I hardly remember anything other than hurting.
    My life isn’t all that bad, in reality. This just makes me feel worse. I have no reason to be complaining or hurting in this way. I have incredibly supportive parents who are aware of my situation and do everything in their power to help me. I’ve taken countless different medications for depression and anxiety and I’ve been in therapy for years, and yet these thoughts persist, getting worse the older I get.
    For once in my life, I have friends, but if anything things have only gotten worse. My friends tell me they care about me and I keep getting hurt by them in ways that make me think, ´Why do I try?´ And yet despite my age I still feel unconfident about my sexuality. I think I might like girls, but I’m worried that if my friends find out, they’ll hate me.
    I know these are the most petty things to complain about, but it’s just too much. Every day I just wish I didn’t have to wake up. I wish I could just stay in bed all day. The only thing I remotely enjoy anymore is drawing, and I don’t have the motivation to draw when I want to. I have to attend school every day but it only worsens these thoughts. I don’t know what to do. As much as I say I want to die, all I really want is just for these thoughts to stop. I just want to be normal, I just want to pursue my dreams, I just want to be okay for once.
    My parents keep asking me to promise not to kill myself, and I do, because I love them so much, but I can’t keep doing this for much longer. It hurts so much.

  5. Alexis says:

    I left my goals as student thrown away.I feel the positivity around me.No matter I dont Let them through.Is like I dont want help but at the same Time I do. My friends think That Im happy but Im not.Leaving my foreign country was my idea.My family wanted me to stay AND I ignore them.Dont know the answer to that one.IM ACTING my current LIFE.I just want this to end. My crazy decisión AND my never dreams Will not Gonna happen. Gonna happen goals. Im having a lot of not happy momentos.Im trying to forget with videogames AND porn Right now lazy to not Let annyone in AND help me.Is affecting my student life. Is really a problem For meHELP

  6. Kurtis says:

    I can say the one thing that has made me truly depressed is love. How can love, the one emotion humans are known for, be the thing that shoots you down? Love has torn me. The worst of all of this is that the harm that has come to my life has only ever been produced by me. I ruined my relationship with the one person I probably will ever truly love. I know this person was special and my young ignorant arrogant ways have compromised my happiness.

    • James says:

      I’m right there with you. Screw love.

    • Elizabeth says:

      I understand I m 48 and had finally met the love of my life and lost her because of my unwillingness to do the work fully in DBT. I just found out she went back to her ex husband just before Valentine’s Day I had to sedate myself and sleep through that whole do so I wouldn’t do anything stupid. I have had suicidal thoughts all my life and they were like back ground noise losing her has made them so loud. I do realize I just want the pain to stop. Sometimes I feel like something is so wrong with me she’s gone with him and I can’t stop thinking about her. That’s makes it so much worse. I do try to keep occupying myself hour by hour and I have the emergency hot line phone in my phone just in case. I send out my love to all who understand what I am going through I personally don’t know any one we were not allowed to talk to each other about this subject in DBT

  7. Bobbi says:

    I am totally alone, no friends, no family to speak of (only one friend that goes to stores for me). I need both hips replaced and back surgery and have been in bed for over a year. (My mom had a failed back surgery so I’m afraid of ending up in a home.. she was in one and they overdosed and killed her) Why am I here?? Why does God take beloved family members from people and leave me here…I just don’t get it

  8. Jannet Kester says:

    hello

  9. Worthless says:

    I’m just not worthy to be alive really. I feel as if someone else should’ve been given life while I just stayed what I was, nothing. I’m a burden and it’s true… I have no job and still live at home. I argue with my mom too much and get frustrated and just think about killing myself because I know I shouldn’t let myself get angry if she does so much for me. Then it’s been a year since I’ve broken up with my girlfriend and everything is just spiraling down even more than it ever has in my life. I don’t talk to my friends because I don’t want them to know I’m jobless and can’t afford to get new tires to actually use my car. I’ve been suicidal since my dad passed away. I just feel like nothing in this life really truly matters to me anymore. Why continue when every damn day of my life I feel pain so deeply?

  10. C says:

    You stay because you still have hold of what’s left of your moral compass, that you don’t want to ‘pass on’ the curse, the hurt for loved ones to hold. You reach a point where you wonder what the point is in talking about it as no one can help you but yourself. Sometimes the battle is between feeling alone but wanting to be alone, the longing is for everything to be peaceful. No noise, no pain, no feelings, a still and quiet mind. That’s my burden to carry but the load is getting heavier.

  11. Mo says:

    Reading these comments makes me cry. I don’t know even know what to say. I have tried medication and therapy and the feelings always comes back. I don’t like dealing with people because they make me so damn depressed.

    My mom and grandmother passed away a while back. My family could care less about me. I am single with no friends. Everytime i open my mouth people say im negative or are turned off even when i dont speak. I hate life and these comments make me so sad for myself and others

  12. Laurel says:

    I have tried my entire life to do what is expected of me and to
    make those around me happy
    I genuinely believe people around me want me to die. I’m alone most of the time, and have been for years. I live w a very painful disease and I’m probably better off dead. I don’t understand why the good I’ve done for others shine through.

  13. Nigel says:

    I’m so angry…now. I wasn’t always this way, but even though I fight the thoughts of Suicide…they return.

    I’m beginning to wonder if this curse will ever end. I know deep down that most people don’t want to be around me because I’m down.

    I know how to change my outward behavior to appear and present normally. Like I’m not afraid and that I have my shit together. I don’t, though.

    I’ve been admonished by a close friend who called me mentally ill and just started ignoring me.

    It’s a shitty feeling being this lonely, isolated and afraid.

    I’ve experienced limerance in love…when someone special fills your heart and soul…and you can’t erase them from your mind if you tried.

    Why is Suicide such a limerant bastard in my life? I’m so over the thoughts.

  14. Billi says:

    I can’t think of a time that I have never thought about suicide.. Like right now I see no reason to be alive. All I want is to die.

  15. Dan D. says:

    Thanks for writing this. I’ve been suicidal for 20+ years. Depression comes and goes, but the urge to end it all is constant. I’m 50, beyond broke, jobless, no kids, never married. I have avoided most things that people seek in life because I know that someday it was always going to end with me taking my own life. I spend time- sometimes hours in a day- planning, plotting, visualizing my death. Avoiding friends/romance seemed the responsible thing to do so I don’t leave an even bigger mess when I go. I sometimes regret that, never knowing what might have happened, but if I had to do it all again I don’t think I would change a thing. My attachment to the idea of taking my own life is more important to me than anything else. Few people understand that, but paving the path to my inevitable suicide is the only way I can make it through the day.

  16. Jay says:

    The article perfectly expresses my current situation, a lifetime of depression and failure of medication to correct the emotional damage caused by childhood sexual abuse and parental negligence. I have all the means to take my life away at this moment in my life, somehow that has given me hope and a sense of relief, I have time to cope….

  17. Bob Smith says:

    I have been suicidal since I was around 12 years old. It started with my parent’s divorce and then bullying and I’ve always circled around the idea of it. Sure, I have had a good life so far, but I fear that one day a pain will hit me so hard I will just go ahead and hang myself because the thought of doing that is so normalised in my mind. I don’t want to do this but I hate myself so much and I always face the same problems in life. I have tried relentlessly to change but I feel my identity has plateaud and this is who I am. I feel I have no real friends close to me in my town, I feel distant and I think I have a personality disorder. I always question everything I do in my mind, I pretend to be confident but I know I am not. Usually I feel uncomfortable when with other people or outside and do not know how to respond in a manner that is “me”. Who am I? I don’t think this will ever change, I understand why nobody retains long-term contact with me.

  18. Elsie says:

    This describes me. I have thought about dying since I can first remember. I’m 64 now. I actually hate myself and have my whole life but have never told anyone. I have just wished I was dead since I could ever remember. There’s no reason for it. As far as I know I’ve had a pretty decent life tho I’ve made some bad decisions here and there but never hurt myself. I have wonderful children and two dogs I love. In the past several years I had breast cancer, someone I cared for deeply broke my heart cruelly, I lost everything I owned in a Hurricane, and I am now at the brink of complete financial ruin because I can’t find a job of the kind to let me keep my replacement house I got because of my age. My son will let me and my dogs live with him and that makes me hate myself even more. What a loser I am. Why was I born? I’m worth more dead than alive. I need to die. I am a waste of space. Life has been wasted on me. God blew it. And I want to go but I know it will hurt the kids. If only the cancer had taken me.

    • Dave Shaver says:

      I wouldnt feel guilty about living with your son. I would be proud that I raised such an admirable young man who truly cares for his mother. I can understand your desire to die. Suicidal thoughts and behavior is something Ive suffered with since childhood. I get mental health treatment. I hope you are getting proper treatment. That should make life safer for you, so I urge you to get it. Suicidality and self-hatred defy reason – it is the WORST form of suffering. You deserve to be happy and truly deserve love both from yourself and others. Good luck, I wish you all the best 🙂

  19. David Crichton says:

    I think this is the only site I’ve found where deeply distressed people talk about their distress and suicidal ideation. This is not well understood by society as we don’t want to die, but life is just so terriby distressing for us despite the help lines. drugs. talk therapies etc which I suspect most people writing on here have already tried without success.
    For myself I have had about 40 medicines, ect, thousands of hours psychotherapy and then financial loss, ending my career, followed by arrest for trying to help my suicidal ideation. Convicted for trying to get help for suicidal thoughts ; malicious communication! England

  20. Manny says:

    I think about killing myself on a daily, ever since I had my third child with my girlfriend nothings been the same I should be happy but I feel so low and stuck, I argue with my 5 year old because she dosnt eat anything I ever make her and when I yell at her I sometimes go a little overboard and make her cry, I feel horrible after to the point I wanna bash my head into the sharp corner of my dresser I snap out of it cuz I know if I did that she would find me and I would traumatize her… sometimes I wanna run away and killmyself I never think how just anyway to not exist but I think I cant leave my kids with my girlfriend to take care of them by herself thats not right so I live with this pain in my heart and mind with no hope of help, this comment might seem retarded but its the hard truth of how I feel, i worry one day I just might

  21. Anonymous says:

    i want to kill myself

  22. DMM says:

    The endless need to escape. The endless pain of each breathe. The lack of help, even when you beg for someone to ‘save’ you. The blame others give to you for feeling you can’t go on. The guilt you feel for wanting it to end knowing you will hurt others. I have been so strong to keep going for thirty years. I see the comfort of knowing I can, but it is not enough and I spiral out of control. I lose myself and I would do anything to go back to the beginning or fast forward to the end. I think I am a dreamer who was desperate to be saved. It’s took me over thirty years to realise no one is there to do this, it’s down to me. I have to get through the minutes, hours and it will be another day. Groundhog Day.

  23. Jules says:

    Struggle with the urge all the time, got rid of my car years ago (16yes) as was sure I would folllow through the urge to drive into a wall…. tried to hang myself failed (obviously ) still here 🤦🏼‍♀️ I experienced a near death experience (resuscitated) peaceful experience (accidental drowning) feel everyone better off without my drama….. they will miss me! But will get over it as death is part of life, have a rope in car that if the fear takes over I am prepared 😳 (brownie/guide law) as realise I fight to live but don’t know how to deal with anger (forgive everyone) cant solve my kids issues and feel to blame for how they are…. not their fault I just want peace from not fitting in and understanding what life wants from me 🤯 whole life felt put down never good enough, couldn’t do anything for doing something wrong. Don’t like love as quite warped as people that claim to love should not hurt you …. trust to me is more than love but trust can be broken ❣️🤯 Only happy when I make people smile 😍 feel a failure if I can’t achieve that 🥺 lol from the heart ❣ 💖 don’t plan to kill myself but; struggle with situations that I will act on as can’t help! Can’t face or deal with…. still here and trying everyday, looking forward to going to a life coach Feb. 19 ( hypnosis helped me through 4 yrs) the fear of sharing what we think is our madness.. first time sharing 🤦🏼‍♀️🤯 feel mad at times but I am sure I am not alone 🥰❣️💖 💪🏼

  24. Anonymous says:

    I just want to say we are all deeply loved by Jesus and that’s a reason I’m still here, I’f not for ourselves, we can try to be strong for Him.

  25. Faun says:

    Thank you. You’re right.
    Knowing that there is always that option of dying and leaving this hell called life does make situations more tolerable.

    [This comment was edited, per the Comments Policy. – SF]

  26. Nixon says:

    I feel little bit relieved after i stumbled in to this page.earlier i didn’t even know what my mental disorder was,in spite i lack nothing in my life suicidical thoughts are overwhelming in my mind,it happens up to hundred times a day,my mind say i can not do nothing,even i cannot enjoy a funny clip or a beautiful scenery,i also have had four suicidical attempts and know its not that much easy,nothing interests me anymore and i just live since just dying is not the solution.i am just 19 and have to enjoy the rest of my life,please give me a solution so i can move on.

  27. Cledwyn says:

    The problem for some of us is that our suicidal habits of thought clearly correspond to a terminal pathological condition, otherwise known as the human race.

    For people suffering from this devastating and terrible disease, there really is no asylum outside of a grave. For some of the victims of the people plague, the crass stupidity, imbecilic pride, and sadistic cruelty of the awful company we’re forced to keep, goes beyond all endurance, especially for those marked out for persecution by the mob, condemned to a hopeless martyrdom, at the bum-end of the spiritual food-chain…

    Even sleep brings no respite from your condition; all my dreams are just a dramatization of my incurable self-loathing, of my impotence in the face of vile humanity.

    Yet I go on living, in spite of any rational reason for doing so.

  28. Rusty says:

    I’ll take a break and think about it. Seems like a good idea for me.

  29. Melissa says:

    Five months ago out of the blue I became suicidal and started cutting. My body is so cut up, it looks like I have cut for a lifetime. I’ve had 17 suicide attempts since September, 5 psych ward stays, and I am still a suicidal cutting wreck. Yesterday, I threw out everything I own when the garbage went out. I only saved one outfit and a pair of pjs. I don’t know how people actually succeed at suicide. I won’t shoot myself, I won’t hang myself, I won’t go crash my car cause it could hurt someone else. All I know is pills and that just makes me end up in the ICU or psych ward. So, here I am as they say “all dressed up and nowhere to go” meaning I am done with life, all my possessions are thrown out, yet nothing I have tried has worked. This really sucks.

  30. Mon says:

    Hello there, I’m a 31 year old woman and I’ve been thinking about ending my life since I was five. I remember I wanted to eat poisonous food, or run into the ocean and never come back. When Kurt Cobain dies, I was only 6 or 7 and I wanted to do the samw thing. Although I never did any suicidal attempt but I thought of suicide all my life. It’s like almost everyday I’m imagining myself jump over the bridge or hang myself to die.

    The thing that is strange for me is… I never really been bullied. I mean I have a normal life, good grades, few good friends. No abusive parents (but I admit they’re kind of neglecting me). I kept this thought as a secret until I was 24. I told my boyfriend and he did nothing. We broke up, and I took a master in psychology. That was the time I told some people about my thought and it’s getting better.

    But recently I have the same thought coming everyday. I don’t know what I should do now…

  31. Emptyrejected says:

    I gave family the facts they wont acknowledge my pain always say dont think about it i been abused my entire life from 4 1/2 yrs old sexually to age 65 yrs old i dont have a purpose but to suffer

    • Anonymous says:

      I have no idea who you are but my heart aches hearing you feel like you don’t have a purpose. No one is born with a purpose, and suffering is not the highlight of existence. The morsels of happiness you create with anyone you’ve ever cared about are the light in your life. Create new bridges, and burn those that impede you.

  32. Mandy B says:

    Im a over fifty year old women, my life has been a bit of a bitch, but it didn’t work out how I thought it would, I’m married I have two children, two grandchildren, and two more grandchildren on the way,, people think I should be over the moon by all this, I’m happy for everyone, but I’m done, I’m OK with suicide,, my two boys don’t like me much any more we don’t talk as mum and son any more, my husband and I aren’t emotionally or physically close any more, I’m just working my arse off at work, stupid days and hours for what….
    To be honestly alone for another twenty years knowing all I mentioned, I just don’t care enough about anyone to drag out my fake smiles for that long… If I had a non painful way to leave I would do it immediately,, but then I would be the bitch…
    For young people I think it’s wrong cause life may turn out great, but for us that don’t want to keep going, how do we explain this to the people that may be sad that it is a mature decision to leave.
    And yes my first thought every single morning is.. Damn, I’m still here, then I think, shit the kids might be upset, but.. and this is truthfully stated, they deep down would get over it pretty quickly, they have their own families and life now, but I’m just done, I’m over it I’m bored with life, I don’t want to fight or argue about things any more, I just want to..
    Rest, leave, be left alone, not be responsible for my bad parenting, etc etc.
    And no I don’t need therapy, I just don’t see the point in 5 10 or 20 more time wasting years,.

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    • Jared says:

      I’m sorry you feel this way. I’m young, 30 with a family wife 3 kids the works. But for a while I have been done. I have been so wronged by the ones I love that I’ve lost hope I feel my kids would be better off with out a f*** up of a father they deserve better. The daily thought of suicide helps me, I do keep telling myself my daughter needs me my son wouldn’t even know and my 3rd is already gone so yea. I just feel as if I’m losing them I want to cry all day it’s hard fighting it back

      • Jayishere says:

        Hi Jared…..hey man I have been there…..three kids is tough on any guy, but it does get better… like you I worried about being always depressed, worthless and not good enough….kids would be better off without me. Well, somehow I didn’t go away (took the easy way out), so I got to see my kids succeed, get married and actually make me feel valuable to them. Focus all your energy towards the success of your kids, so you can break the pattern of emotional depression. Deleting yourself will only bring deep emotional baggage to your kids.

    • Angela says:

      I get you! I’m almost 50 and I’m just tired. I’m over working every day & trying to make everyone happy. I told my therapist I was having an existential crisis and then she reminded me that I could live for another 30 years or so and I responded, “No thank you, I have no interest in doing this for even 10 more years, let alone 30!” I just don’t see the point. I’ve got the husband, kids, dog, & career, so now what?

  33. Jane Cooney says:

    Can u help!! There is no help is there?
    My son died there is nothing anyone can do? Wot do I do??
    Life is never the same

  34. Gordon says:

    I think about dying a lot. I have lots of pain and doctors CAN’T help cause of laws with pain meds, won’t allow them to. I’m depressed because I can’t function enough to walk my dog or take care of myself. I am too young to get help from all the help age related programs. I’m a good person but I need to be able to help others but I can’t do for myself!

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    • Cathy Downum says:

      What about home health care thru ur ins? Even medicaid offers that

    • Annell says:

      I think of it everyday as u with no pain meds I’m in bed most of time can’t clean house or me can’t cook I keep chips ice cream and pop corn as my food try to cook 8 -10 days and then freeze later could say more but I’m 63 worked all my life I get $15.00 on food stamps and landlord sold my place and rent was raised $225.00 month!! He told me didn’t care about my prob he’s in it to make money!! I live in East coast MD/VA line called from DE to SC for housing help all..all have 2 year or more waiting list!! If I did find a place don’t know how to move can’t get to store 3 mins away!! So my dear even if u had all to qualify for something there is nothing out there!! So sorry also have me/Drs u may want to Google that but I wish I had better news my table is stacked with bills!! So sorry I went on so much guess venting instead of doing other

  35. Brian S says:

    I deal everyday with suicidal thoughts. As a child/teen I was badly bullied. Home life was the type where you could bring friends over. I grew up alone. I have so much anger inside of me and I can’t seem to face it without the rage taking over. Sometimes it seems like suicide is the only answer to bring free from that anger. I tried in the 90s I wished I had succeeded. I have a plan but not the courage to do it. I just want this anger to go away.

  36. Jason says:

    I have only recently thought and planned suicide in my head. I was the type that couldn’t understand what would make someone have those thoughts. I have no reason for having these thoughts accept that I feel like it is the only escape from this empty feeling I have. The void that is me on this earth would be much better filled with someone else. I am the king of failure and the master of wrong decision. It is only my children and the unknown of afterlife that has kept me breathing.

  37. Nakita says:

    I need help

  38. Anonymous says:

    This is me. I have lived with suicidal ideation since I was about 10. I remember sitting on a tire swing, wrapping the rope around my neck and wishing I knew how to make a hangman’s noose. That was almost 30 years ago. The thought of suicide never left me. Sometimes it was a comfort, as I sat in my room thinking about my failures, hating the pain I felt, hating my fears. It reassured me to know I could choose.
    It always drives me nuts when I think about trying to talk about my ideation to someone and worrying about whether I would end up under the Baker Act. It is nice to know that some people understand that just because I think about suicide a lot, it doesn’t mean that I am going to do it.
    Sometimes talking about things helps, but what can you do when you talking about a potential issue just means you risk losing your freedom?

  39. james says:

    I’m working hard to build my life into something better. There’s a chance that it could turn into a life I feel like living. But I am not optimistic.

    I’m 37 and have been depressed all my life. I’ve tried it all: various medicines, therapists, mindfulness, lifestyle modifications, etc. Some things work better than others (I’m currently taking Lexapro, it helps me stay even).

    I’m lucky enough to have a girlfriend that I’m deeply in love with. This has helped me realize that happiness is possible. She honestly brings me a lot of joy.

    But I can’t get away from depression. It’s in large part a function of money at this point. I don’t live large, and I work very hard, but I still can’t make ends meet very well. I constantly worry about money, and my living situation sucks.

    I think about suicide nearly ever day, in a pretty matter of fact way. My parents are alive, and hopefully will be for another decade or two. But when they pass, if things are still the same in my life, I will kill myself.

    I struggle so much with how to be honest with my girlfriend about my depression. I talk to her openly about it and she’s very supportive. However, I’ve never broached suicide with her (or really anyone else).

    My take on it is that life is an amazing experience that is incredibly valuable. However, I feel that value is in the eye of the beholder. In my case, I do not feel that life is “worth it.” I’ve had, and continue to have, incredible experiences. But even so, on balance, I don’t consider the pain, anxiety, and hopelessness to be worth dealing with.

    It’s sad. I have every tool anyone could ask for to make an incredible life (literally every single one) except my brain is messed up, I’m poor, and I suck at life. And I can’t make it work. Been trying for decades. Don’t have a ton of hope any more. I am really continuing to make an effort (getting better jobs, being introspective, living healthy, etc). Hopefully things change. But if they don’t, I will be very matter of factly and calmly ending my life in a quiet, secluded place. For me, life is filled with depression, anxiety, and very little hope, and the only reason I’m still here is my parents.

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    • Randall P. Robinson says:

      My 26 year-old daughter approached me yesterday about a fundraising effort at her former high school as a means of memorializing the life of her brother who died of suicide during his freshman year at the same high school. The school is selling brick pavers which will be engraved with the names of present and former students who have attended the high school. While my daughter’s desire to memorialize her brother in this manner is both admirable and sweet, I thought of the irony that attached to her gesture. My only son’s life and the memory of him is reduced to a brick — a fucking brick!

      I would like to take that brick and throw it through that obscure window to shatter any illusions about family members and loved ones being “better off” without the person who struggles with chronic suicidal thoughts! My 15 year-old son died more than six years ago and there is STILL not a day that goes by that I don’t think of him and yearn for his presence.

      James, I know that your life-long struggle with depression has been exhausting to you and that it has taken every ounce of your personal strength reserves just to persevere. But, I admire you, my friend, for somehow finding the personal wherewithal to continue the fight. Life can be a real bitch at times. You don’t have to look far among the comments contained on this page to realize that there are countless persons who are involved in real-life struggles just to stay alive. These people are not gluttons for punishment in life. Instead, they should be viewed as real-life heroes who wage a constant battle to suppress thoughts of self-annihilation. I implore you to continue to fight the good fight, James, for the alternative is too horrific to contemplate to those who are important to you and care for your well being.

      I salute you for seeking out the services of a psychiatrist who has prescribed Lexapro for you which, by your own admission, “helps to keep [you] even.” There may well be other therapies or combination of drugs which work synergistically to bring you even greater relief. Your comments affirm that you have pursued multiple avenues toward recovery. There may well be no silver bullet (if you will pardon the expression); but, I urge you to continue in your quest to find whatever works best for you. I’m delighted by your comment that your girlfriend with whom you profess to be “deeply in love with” is the kind of person about whom you can say, “She honestly brings me a lot of joy.”

      So, stay the course, my friend. Find your happiness no matter how elusive or ethereal it may seem at times. Your strength can be found not in those obstacles or impediments that block or interfere with your happiness; but, rather, in how you confront, battle, and overcome those challenges in life. You were meant to be victorious in life. Please do not give up. Keep walking…keep moving forward…you can do this! But never allow your life to be reduced to a brick paver.

  40. Clayton H says:

    I have dealt with suicidal thoughts and depression for a little over a year now. I never really had these thoughts prior to my first serious breakup. Now, I feel completely alone and hopeless. It’s been 8 months now and I still deal with the same thoughts of complete loneliness. The problem is, when I reach out to people I’m met with, “It was just a girl, get over it” “That’s not so bad, others have it worse” “You just want attention”. This is what riddles me the most. I often ask myself, “Am I just being a wimp?” I may not have the levels of trauma that others have experienced but the constant thought of suicide is still very real. I’ve attempted it before and no one believes me. My legitimate cries for help go unnoticed because I’ve become a pro at putting on this “face” for the world where I seem totally normal and content with life. The reality is, I don’t want to die, but I would have no problem being gone. Completely forgotten and out of everyone’s way. I don’t speak to anyone anymore, I pushed everyone out of my life and sit in my room feeling sorry for myself every single day. What scares me most is how aware of this I am. I know I’m the only one who can change my life but I have zero care in the world to do that. I’m 20 years old and should be living the prime years of my life right now. Instead, I cut up and down my arm at least once a week and make no effort to better anything. I’ve accepted depression into my life. If it wasn’t for my guitar and my music I would honestly be dead already. Getting help seems impossible. No one believes me. Everyone thinks I’m just really moody and rude all the time. I just don’t care anymore. I literally searched “I want to kill myself everyday” in Google and found this. I have no job, no friends, no support cast, no care in the world for anything. I’m coasting through life with a “fuck it” mentality and have no idea what to do…

  41. Drew says:

    Do you ever read people’s comments and understand their pain without finding your own?

  42. Matthew T says:

    I need to be locked up for a bit for few days or week soon as I got thoughts i tryed last night but gave way need help now

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Matthew T,

      In case you haven’t gotten help already, you can do one of the following for immediate assistance:

      1. Go to your nearest hospital emergency room and tell them what you’ve written here.

      2. Call 911 and tell them you’re in immediate danger of killing yourself.

      3. Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255 (TALK). They can initiate a “rescue” by calling emergency services for you.

      I hope you stay safe!

  43. Mike says:

    It really sucks that there aren’t any resources to truly help with this. I am a 43 yo male with BPD, schizo affective disorder, and diabetes that I cannot control. I’ve been mentally hospitalized three times in six months. I have no wife and no children. I think about death every day. What is the point? I have no job and my body just gets weaker every day. I see no hope that my life will ever improve, and it’s much more likely to get worse, not better. Aren’t I an ideal candidate for suicide?

  44. Lee says:

    Strange for so many years I have been one who has always given advice to others under oppression anger and hardship. But for the last decade or so it seems like there’s this little voice hiding in the shadows of my mind that’s telling me something different about myself. Suicide has been on my mind quite chronically for the last couple of years. Even sat down and figured out how I’m going to do it if it ever does occur. I am not married, I don’t have a relationship, I have a job but it’s a job nothing more. I’m 62 years old my health isn’t what it used to be. Everyday I struggle with finances trying to work no savings to speak of credit went down the tubes over a year ago. I’m torn between a part of me that condemns life and I’m tired of it and another part of me that condemns condemning life. on my monthly check-up sheet there’s a depression it rating of 1 to 10 and presently it’s a seven. Everyday I wake up and for some reason I move forward but every hour of moving forward there’s a part of me that hates it. No friends to speak of family members are pretty much just that a brother and a sister I hardly ever see or talk to because all three of us are totally different types of people with totally different lifestyles. sometimes I want to admit myself to a facility or some sort of counseling but I fear for my job. I fear for what any form of credibility I have as a so-called human being in the face of the public. I am a conundrum of mixed emotions. My temper has gotten worse my patience not what it used to be. I will never ever malicely hurt another innocent person. But it seems like there’s more darkness within my heart than what lights there used to be. I wish the Pinnacle of all things achieved for goodness paths that we’re taking the right direction. A few of the usual left turns but we’re simple the last couple of years they have been nothing but left turns and dead ends keep trying to rationalize the trials and tribulations of bad choices bad luck and unfortunate circumstances but I just can’t seem to focus like I used to.

    • Megan says:

      Sorry to hear that, Lee. I hope things get better for you. When I’m going through serious bouts of depression, I sometimes try pouring myself into a hobby, like painting or playing guitar, something to keep busy and that’s supposed to be relaxing and fun. Try doing something new you’ve never done before or even simply try going for a walk. Last summer I was going through a particularly rough time and I took up playing Pokémon Go on my phone so much it became an obsession. Well it worked and took my mind off how bad things were. It wasn’t a permanent solution to make me 100% happy but it did prevent me from hurting or killing myself. Plus is brought me closer to certain people I didn’t expect to bond with over. My point is find something positive to distract yourself, keep busy and hopefully find something to make you happy. Good luck.

  45. stella says:

    I am 13 years old. I have thought of suicide ever since I was 5, I think. I think about suicide everyday. I have tried it many times. But the only thing that made me stop, was me thinking of all the people who would miss me if I did, and that I didn’t talk to anyone about it. Yesterday I tried again. It hurt. Which is also what stopped me.
    the only reason I don’t get help is because I’m scared.

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    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Stella,

      I’m grateful that you have something so important — thoughts of the people who would miss you — to deter you from suicide. However, I’m terribly sad about all the pain and suicidal thoughts you experience, especially since you appear to be alone with them, with nobody helping you.

      Please do ask for help. I know it’s scary. But a lot of good can come from getting help. There are effective treatments for suicidal thoughts, such as cognitive behavior therapy, dialectical behavior therapy, and the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality. Some medications also have been helpful for suicidal people.

      You also can use the Crisis Text Line at 741-741 or call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, if you are in the U.S.

      Thanks for sharing here. I hope it helped you to feel at least a little less alone with your suicidal thoughts.

  46. IO says:

    I’m a young adult and I think about suicide every single day and have done so for many years. I’ve never before come across an article related to suicide that resonated with me so much. I find the thought of ending my own life a great comfort, in fact, at times it is the only thing which helps calm me during panic attacks. Knowing that I can just flip the switch and all the pain will be gone, no more thinking, no more feeling. For the sake of my family I hope I can find the strength to keep living, but I have definitely made peace with the idea of suicide, as grim as that may sound. There’s just so much cruelty and pain in this world that I cannot make sense of. I wish I didn’t care as much as I do, then maybe I wouldn’t suffer so much.

  47. Al says:

    I’m 34 and have thought about suicide daily since I was in my early twenties and on a regular basis since I was a kid. I absolutely abhor my life. In the past I couldn’t figure out what was worse, the depression, anxiety, or loneliness. These days the loneliness seems to be killing me slowly the most. I’ve found that it’s usually my bouts of extreme loneliness that have brought out my worst depression and anxiety. I’ve never been in a relationship since I know I’m broken beyond repair, and I’d hate to be that guy that tricks some woman into loving him only to have her find out she ended up with an unlovable animal. My suicidal thoughts don’t only pop up daily now, they pop up hourly. Those auditory hallucinations people hear before completely falling asleep… well, for me they’re just filled with voices telling me it’s time to go. The article is right, after a while the thoughts become so normal.

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    • Matt says:

      Al,

      I’m sorry to hear about all of your struggles. You mentioned loneliness. I have given great thought to this topic as it is just as unhealthy as smoking. What do you think we can do to solve the epidemic of loneliness?

      • Al says:

        Honestly…. nothing. I don’t think there is a solution. Talking from experience as a lonely person, I actually feel lonelier when around people as I feel I don’t fit in anywhere. When I’m completely alone the loneliness hurts so much that I actually physically feel it in my chest but the loneliness “makes sense” since I’m alone. When I feel it while around people it’s worse since it technically shouldn’t make sense as it were. As a result, while alone, my thoughts of suicide are more thought out and methodical but when around people my anxiety shoots up and my suicidal thoughts become erratic. It’s just something I have to live with since I don’t believe there is or ever will be a cure.

  48. A says:

    I can’t even express how much this article and these comments speak to me. I am 29 years old and have thought about suicide almost daily. It is not like I am going to act on it right now or anything but as the article said, it really feels like “I’m so stressed today, I should just hang myself”. I asked my husband three years ago if these thoughts were normal. I thought everyone was like this, like this was life. I’ve gone to one therapist a few times and talked about my anxiety but never about my depression. Never about my chronic suicidal thoughts. I’ve been scared of the consequences. What if they see me as a danger to myself and take immediate action? I am not in immediate danger but I do wish I could go more than three days without fantasying about how if life got too hard, I always had an out. I want to enjoy my life more. I want to love the fact that I am alive everyday instead of fighting to stay alive everyday. Is this what chronic depression feels like? Is it something that medicine and therapy could fix?

    • Will says:

      As someone who has admitted themself to a mental hospital and has had therapy and medication I can say that yes it has helped but I continue to struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts. I’m at the point where I’m not entirely sure if it will ever go away. There are tracks of time where I believe I feel normal but also long tracks of time where I’m not and I struggle to keep from breaking down. It is a long process.
      However, I believe if I had not gotten help I’d be dead.
      Of course, people are different and will have different problems and outcomes but if you believe you would benefit from seeking help please do. There is no shame in it and as long as you aren’t physically hurting yourself you wont be detained for your own safety. It definitely wont hurt to try and do something positive for yourself and your family.

  49. GH says:

    I’m not sure if people continue to read these comments or not.
    I think of suicide daily most wouldn’t think that I have these thoughts I hide them. I’ve never talked to anyone about it. You see I have a wonderful wife two beautiful children and what most people think is a good job. But my job is killing me I constantly worry about it you see I don’t have a college degree or a trade but I managed to get a high paying job (lucky right) with all that being said my job is toxic. I work on call now they are forcing me to work along ways from home and gone ALOT. They change things daily and expect me to adapt I’m getting older and it’s harder to do that I struggle with the drive to and from work 140 miles one way and work 12 hours a day in a hostile work(CSX) environment. I can’t just go out and get another job because of the pay and benefits you see my family needs it I don’t want to let them down. I think everyday well when it gets to the point I can’t take it anymore I will just commit suicide I’m not scared of dying it don’t bother me I just know that my kids and wife will have a better life if I’m not here. My wife is getting older like me so I think if I’m gonna do something it would be easier on her if I done it while she can still find someone and move on my children are young and like all parents I love them dearly. I just wanted to vent. Thank you.

    • Will says:

      Hey, you seem pretty concerned about your family and their well being. What do you think would happen if you killed yourself? I think they would struggle pretty hard if not financially then mentally, pretty much negating everything you are trying to do for them. Money isnt everything and I’m sure your family would be much happier with less money and a husband/father. I understand your reluctance to leave your high paying job as someone that didnt even finish high school, I understand completely. There’s more to life than money and status. You are lucky enough to have a partner that loves you and kids that look up to you. There are those of us out here that struggle to find that. Dont throw it away. Keep your head up.

    • Randall P. Robinson says:

      My dear brother GH, the lie you are telling yourself is that your “kids and wife will have a better life if [you’re] not here.” It would not make anything easier for your wife and children. Instead, it would simply DEVASTATE those that you, yourself, describe as your “wonderful wife [and] two beautiful children”. Please believe me when I tell you that I am not trying to put any kind of guilt trip on you. Your clinical mental depression is doing a good enough job at that all by itself. But trust me when I say that there are no warm and fuzzy feelings left in the aftermath of a suicide. The wake of destruction left behind in the lives of those you love is, without exception, a direct and inevitable consequence of the action you are contemplating on a daily basis. Trust me…I know, having lost an immediate family member to the scourge of suicide. Please consult the resources that Dr. Freedenthal has listed in the link contained at the top of this page. Please give your life a chance. Please give your family a chance to avoid the unrelenting emotional heartache which has been my own struggle after losing a much-loved family member to the cruel legacy of suicide. Find a new job if you must. Even a lesser paying job would be better than the job facing your loved ones should you make the regrettable decision of finding relief in the wrong direction that can never be taken back. I wish you peace, strength, perseverance, and endurance in the path that lies ahead. Your life matters.

      • GH says:

        Thank you so much for responding. Your comments are greatly appreciated. I’m so sorry for your loss. I truly just want what’s best for my family and I just figured I’m gone so much it really doesn’t matter.

    • Mike says:

      How can you be suicidal with all that? I have no job, live at home at 43, horrible physical health, no gf or wife, no kids. Surely you would have ended it all by now if you had my life.

      I’m sorry I’m just in the mood to be a real asshole right now. I hate my fucking life so much and I am stuck with it until I die. I HAVE to end this pain

      • GH says:

        I apologize for sounding like I want pity. I consider myself lucky to have a family I really do. I feel extremely guilty for feeling the way I do. I want to give them as many opportunities in life as possible like all husbands and fathers want. with all that being said I feel an extreme amount of pressure to provide a good life for them and my job is making it harder and harder. If I lose my job I will provide for them one way or another. I pray for everyone i wish we all could find peace and happiness. I apologize for sounding selfish and ungrateful. God Bless

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        Mike,

        You obviously are suffering, deprived of many things that most people desperately want: love, health, work, independence. I’m sorry you’re in so much pain that you feel you must die.

        At the same time, people who might appear to have what you lack, such as GH, are not immune to pain. Suicidal thoughts strike people of every persuasion: rich or poor, famous or unknown, healthy or disabled, highly educated or illiterate, young or old, married or single, etc.

        I’m sorry that you’re hurting so badly, Mike. I hope that you are able to get at least some of what you crave and need in life. I can see how bewildering it must feel to see someone who appears to have what you want but still has suicidal thoughts, just as last summer so many people couldn’t understand the suicides of the celebrities Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain, who each enjoyed great wealth, fame, and success.

        If you want to talk with someone about your struggles, please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255 or text the Crisis Text Line at 741-741. I list other resources, too, at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        GH,

        I think this exchange illustrates quite vividly — and painfully — that (sadly) nobody is immune to suicidal thoughts (or to the forces that give rise to them, such as despair, depression, hopelessness, stress, etc.) Someone might appear to others to “have it all” but, like you, still experience so much fear and stress that they think about ending their life.

        You did not give me the impression of somebody seeking pity, or someone who is selfish or ungrateful, to use your words. Instead, you gave me the impression of somebody who is hurting and afraid due to forces beyond your control. I’m sorry about all you are dealing with.

        I hope you will consider talking with someone about what you’re going through. As I told Mike, above, you can get help from a hotline, crisis text line, and more; I list resources at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

        Thank you for sharing here. I’m certain that your words will help others in similar situations to feel less alone.

  50. Introverted Sensate says:

    Em, Ron, Christian, Diana and everyone else who has read and will read this thread…this comment is for you.
    Know that I nervously type these words with my own therapy in mind. I am not a mental health professional and I don’t normally put comments online – I am here to find help and inspiration. I am just like you. I have contemplated suicide as recently as two days ago standing on a bridge for 3 hours in the middle of the night in the freezing cold wondering “why do I have to stay here, on this earth?” Since I was a child the constant allure of suicide has always been overwhelming. If you live in the states the mental health field is truly insufficient. We are so far behind when it comes to understanding the complexity of human emotion. (Have your read the DSM? I rest my case). Nevertheless, here are some tips that are keeping me alive this week:

    1. Take a break from toxic people.
    Sensates like yourself will only get drained by these folks (you know who they are). If you don’t have the courage to tell them you want to take a break just tell them you aren’t feeling well and avoid them until you can make a clean break. Know there will be upset emails and phone calls, don’t let that cause anxiety. Take care of you.

    2. Get rid of social media.
    Research shows that for people like us (chronic depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation) it increases suicide risk dramatically. Connect with people one to one in nature or at a coffee shop or over Netflix.

    3. Meet 1 new neighbor.
    You might read this one and think “yea right!” but the science is clear; if you know your neighbors and know they care about you, you are more likely to be happier and healthier. I’m super introverted so I didn’t have the courage to do this directly. I simply left a box of store bought cookies at two of .y neighbor’s doors with a not that said “Just wanted to introduce myself and say hello – neighbor in #…” We’ll see how they respond.

    4. Find your fans.
    Is there a niece/cousin/friend/coworker/cleaning person that admires you? Think of this person and be around them more. For me it is the maintenance man in my building. He always has a smile and is interested in my day. The adventures of a boring office worker. I’m not sure why, but he makes me feel better. It will brighten your mood to know someone really appreciates you or values your opinion.

    5. Praise the small things.
    Find two things you have enjoyed this week and send a note/text/email of appreciation. For me, one was a brand of ice cream that I recently found in the grocery. I emailed the company with a picture of my purchase and said “Thanks for making deliciously addicting ice cream.” Their response made me a bit happier, even if momentarily.

    6. Get better help.
    This is a hard one. I just got kicked out of group therapy two days ago for being “too suicidal.” As a sensate and introvert I was crushed. I left and wanted to die – drive myself off a bridge, take pills, jump off my building etc. I thought what kind of help is this? After I calmed down and stopped sobbing in my car I realized this therapy just wasn’t the right fit and I could probably find another group. Maybe it will take you 10 groups or 20 therapists, but you will find someone who can help that cares about things as deeply as you do. Don’t feel badly about this. All healthcare is not created equal.

    This last one is hard for many who don’t suffer from suicidal ideation to understand…

    7. YOU ARE “BETTER” THAN MOST PEOPLE.
    I don’t mean this in a condescending way. Better doesn’t mean superior. We’re all born in this world together between blood and poop right? I’ve just come to realize that many people find happiness in being rule following, abiding complacent people. They don’t have to worry about (severe) anxiety, depression or suicide because they are okay with how messed up this world is. You and I are not. Instead of beating yourself up about it know that you are unique and the world desperately needs more people like you (and maybe me.)

    Hang in there. I am. (Let me know if this comment is at all helpful and post what keeps you going) Sending love and peace. ✌

    • Randall P. Robinson says:

      Introverted Sensate, I just wanted to thank you for your thoughtful and most insightful comments. You have provided specific and concrete suggestions that I believe would go a long way to help alleviate suffering among those who struggle with chronic suicidal thoughts. Please place me among those included in your Category #4. I admire you. Not to make light of a deadly serious subject, but please stay away from bridges! The world needs more people like you.

      • Introverted Sensate says:

        Thanks for your comment. The world needs more fans too. I’ll try to hang in there.
        🙂

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Introverted Sensate,

      These suggestions are brilliant. It’s very generous and compassionate of you to share your insights with others who are hurting. I’m certain your words will help many people. Thank you!

    • Erica says:

      Thank you. I needed to hear something realistic I can actully try to put into motion in my own life. I’ve spent so much time reading, trying to educate myself on what may be wrong with me or how I can become more helpful in this crazy world. Meditation now does nothing more than pass the time peacefully. I want to learn to be productive and not want to die when im not.
      Anyways, thank you for the post. It felt like someone was actully listening for a moment. I will keep your advice handy.

      • Introverted Sensate says:

        Thanks for sharing- I just actually just signed up for a meditation course. I hear it helps. We shall see. ☺

    • Cat says:

      That’s great reading! What about when the toxic people are ur family…you have no friends bcuz they are junkies….and ur anxiety is so bad you’re stayed home for 15 years?

      • Introverted Sensate says:

        Cat- I think so many people can relate. Toxic people rarely change, including family or friends. I’m learning it’s not selfish to take care of your brain + body before others. Anxiety is horrible. So sorry to hear of your issues. I, and many others struggle with that as well. I am learning slow incremental change is better than nothing. Hang in there. (I’m talking to myself too.)

    • Anonymous says:

      Thank you for making me laugh and I agree with the world needing people like us.. just wish it was somehow easier to exist. Surviving tonight .

    • Heather says:

      This did help. Im having a lot of trouble finding good in my world. You are better. Thank you

  51. Em says:

    I’ve always been a clutter minded person. Despite my young age, I’ve constantly contemplated the right from wrong decisions to make, even if I don’t necessarily make the “right choice”. I try to think of every aspect, possibility and outcome. Yet I cannot help but feel the lowest I’ve ever felt. The thoughts don’t go away, no matter how absurd and stupid and dramatic. My friend used my own thoughts against me in the way I was stupid and weak for thinking about ending my life or at least not wanting to be me, not being here anymore. I have this overwhelming feeling, that others don’t break things down and want to be there for me or try to understand me, the way I have done for all of them. I’m losing weight, losing my appetite, and even getting sick from not eating. I have no more energy and no more will. I’m desperate at this point. Told my bf I didn’t think I’d make it through the day. And he doesn’t understand that either. He almost makes fun of my sadness and hopelessness. Told me he’d bring me to the cliff himself. I need someone to talk to, before the next person that is, is my loved ones in the afterlife. That seems to be the most promising right now. I appreciate the friend that has been there for me, and my mother, even though my family can add onto the stress majorly. I’m at my wits end. I’m a very smart girl, so I’m very frightened my thoughts have come to this. I feel like my sisters can grow up without me now, I feel like I don’t have to be a bother anymore. I just want to rest.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Em,

      It hurts to read about how badly you feel and about some responses you’ve gotten, such as your boyfriend telling you he’d drive you to a cliff. How sad!

      You haven’t mentioned if you’re receiving professional help. Help is available. The problems you describe with emotions and thoughts are treatable. Please talk with a therapist or your physician.

      You also can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at any time, at 800-273-8255 or text the Crisis Text Line (also 24/7) at 741-741. I list other resources at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

  52. Heather says:

    Please don’t do it. I love you

  53. Ron says:

    What does one do when a life long issue can’t get help no matter how much one wants it? I’ve attempted suicide 3 times and considering another attempt because I cant get help and can’t get meds refilled,the clock is ticking and I’m afraid I’m going to lose this daily battle..please help me…

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Ron,

      It’s painful to hear how much you’re hurting and needing help. I hope you will use one of the resources listed at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp. In particular, if you live in the U.S., you might try the Crisis Text Line at 741-741 or the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, and they can help connect you with resources where you live.

      I wish you the best in finding the help you seek!

  54. Christian L says:

    I’ve been feeling bad for two years. I was feeling right this week, but someone yelled at me saying I did something rude when it wasn’t my fault. Today feel bad because people put thoughts into our heads. If they keep yelling and arguing with me, I might go back to my old ways of thinking. Then it would be their fault for my slip back into my depressed way of thinking.
    I just can’t stand living with any human cause my philosophy is “Humans are ALL the Same!”
    I want to see people in another way, but they ALL do the same thing. That’s why I hate them all. They hurt others and Think THEY are the best in the world. I’m no God, but I know when people are being too high and react too heavily over a single topic.

  55. Diana says:

    I have daily thoughts of suicide and have been hospitalized twice in the far past for major depression. I am afraid I might act on it one day. I am a 56 year old female and have suffered from depression since I was a child. I have had A LOT and I do mean A LOT of major life events and they continue today. What counseling can I get? I live in Hanford CA and there are no services available in my area that my insurance covers. I have been told I need psychiatric care and several of my physicians have even not been able to find me a mental health professional. What do you recommend?

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Diana,

      How very frustrating to not be able to get the help you need, especially with the severity of your problems! Have you tried Kings County Behavioral Health? They might have options for you. The hospitals where you’ve been treated also ought to be able to help identify resources for you in town.

      If you can afford it, you could also try online therapy. I don’t have a service to recommend, as I’m not sufficiently familiar with them to do so, but Google could help.

      Also you can speak with someone for free at a hotline, text line, or a number of other services listed at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

      I’m sorry about how much you’re hurting and thinking of suicide. I hope you’re able to get effective help soon.

    • Steve says:

      I’m the same, I’m so lost. I’m hurting really bad, suicide is in my family and I can’t afford to get help, I wish you can get help,

    • Cathy Downum says:

      We are the same. And I’m in a big city…but have medicaid lol.

  56. Anonymous says:

    How sad that suicide need always be regarded as a negative event/ action. (We still speak of ‘committing’ suicide as if it’s a crime.)
    Here’s to a time when we can allow people to ‘bow out gracefully’ vs. interpreting their choice (and often NEED) to die as being a crime/ attack/ defeat / lasting harmful legacy.
    Do we so judge those people living with (eg) terminal cancer who decide to end their (ultimately fruitless) therapies?
    PLEASE ALLOW US PEACE

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Anonymous,

      It’s interesting that you mentioned people living with terminal cancer who decide to end their lives, because that is considered a permissible form of suicide in several countries. Within the U.S., it’s legal in Oregon, Washington, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Montana, Vermont, and Washington, D.C.

      I agree with you that we should avoid using the term “committed suicide,” which I wrote about in my article, “Language Matters: Committed Suicide vs. Completed Suicide vs. Died by Suicide.”

    • shar says:

      thank you. you are the 1st to confirm my exact thought on this matter. i am so resentful that its my responsibility to spare others a moment of sadness by sacrificing myself and being forced to exist in a state of suffering my entire life.

  57. Andrew says:

    Tyler,

    I used to think like this. Like all day everyday. But, you just gotta know that killing yourself is not the answer. I don’t know what’s going on in your life to lead you to feel this way, but trust me, from a person whose spent years wanting to end it all because of past mistakes and regret, just know, it does get better. It truly does. I know this may sound corny as hell, but find something that ignites that passion for you in life, for me, it was rediscovering my love of gaming, and I’m 33 years old dude. I truly love gaming now much more than I ever have before. I use it to unwind and help me get through tough and lonely times. My god, it does get lonely, but you ain’t alone in this world man. I’ve got your back, and I don’t even know you bro.

    If you want to hit me up directly, email me at vtdrew1@gmail.com. I’m down to chat with you anytime I’m not working or sleeping. Keep ya head up!!!!

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Andrew,

      That’s so kind of you to reach out to Tyler like this. Your words will help others, too, who in danger of taking their life. Thank you.

  58. Steve says:

    I can’t stop thinking about suicide, im starting to get so frustrated about everything. Already lost my mother and brother to suicide, why not me? My wife left me, daughter and im all alone, I don’t know how to fix this😢

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Steve,

      How devastating to have lost both your mother and brother to suicide, and now to be alone, too. Though I certainly hope you don’t act on your suicidal thoughts, I can understand why suicide calls out to you.

      Are you getting help? Different kinds of treatment are available from therapists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals. You also can use a hotline, text line, or other resource listed at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

      I hope you’ve also received support around your mother and brother’s deaths. There are various resources available for suicide loss survivors, which I list at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#survivors.

      Finally, being alone after your wife and daughter left you is very painful. Perhaps there’s a support group in your area for people going through divorce, or a minister/rabbi/imam, friend, or someone else can help.

      • Steve says:

        To be honest its to the point I’m completely lost. I’m so scared. I’ve pushed everyone away now. Suicide seems to be the only option,,, I’m just so tired of this everyday pain, tears I can’t hide anymore. I’ve tried to get help but I can’t afford the doctor visit or the therapy or the mess if there is any. I made it to work today, I just don’t see any hope, thank you for the reply. I didn’t think anyone cares

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        Steve,

        You communicate your pain here very well. I do care, and I hope you won’t give up the battle.

        If you are in the U.S. and you go to an emergency room, they have to treat you for a health emergency even if you can’t pay. Please try that. The ER might, in turn, be able to connect you with resources.

        Your pain and hopelessness might well be a symptom of a treatable disorder. I hope you will get help.

        As always, you can find other resources such as hotlines at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

      • Steve says:

        I don’t remember a good day, I’m not sure how to hang on

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        Steve,

        Please try to get help! If you call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, they will route you to your local hotline, and folks there should have some local resources for you.

        Or you could go to an emergency room and tell them you’re suicidal, and they have to help you.

        I hope you’re able to get professional help soon.

  59. Nobody says:

    It’s Friday afternoon and I’m at work listening to everyone laughing and having a good time. Wish I could join in but I can’t because I don’t fit in. And my heart is breaking. You would think at my age, 59 that I would have life figured out and have a tough skin, but I don’t. Feeling suicidal at this moment, just want to run away so I don’t have to deal with this. I have no friends that I can talk to, can’t talk to anyone at work because I have trust issues and would use it against me for their satisfaction, can’t to family because I don’t want to upset them, can’t talk to anyone at church because they probably wouldn’t or don’t want to understand. Hate the holidays because everyone is with their spouses or significant other and I don’t have anyone. Sometimes the loneliness and rejection is SO BONE-CRUSHING and SPIRITUALLY-CRUSHING!! Can’t handle it anymore. 😫

  60. Tyler says:

    I just want to kill
    Myself and get this life over with

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      I’m sorry you feel that way. Help is available. I hope you will speak with someone about your suicidal thoughts, whether friends, family, or a professional like a therapist or your primary care physician. You can also try one of the hotlines, text lines, or other resources listed at http://www.SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp

    • Jennifer says:

      I totally understand where you are coming from. I’m not going to tell you to get over it. But please realize that there is someone in this world who cares about you. You may not see it right now but it’s true. Do something to keep yourself busy or talk to a friend. I keep telling myself that these thoughts will pass.

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        Jennifer,

        Thank you for the supportive words you expressed to Tyler and others like him. I hope that you’re able to keep telling yourself the thoughts will pass – and, too, that you can keep telling yourself what you told Tyler.

        What we tell ourselves is so important – especially when our life is at stake. I address this in my post, “Coping Statements for Suicidal Thoughts.”

  61. another one says:

    The game of life is cruel, although it ironically creates happy delusions among the majority of people. The delusion is that we can all make it and be happy. Sorry, look around. All biological life survives either by eating another or by crowding out another for resources. Even plants crowd out each other for the sun’s rays. This is what is so bizarre: we all come from a long line of winners (our parents who procreated), but there is no guarantee any of us will have the “right stuff” to live a happy and well-connected life ourselves. I also think most psychological problems are related to sexual desire because if you’re constantly rejected it’s the universe’s way of declaring, “your genes deserve to die.” And not only that, even if you decide not to have children (which I think is rational in most cases), the absence of any romantic relationship means you don’t even get to engage in human bonding as an adult. Babies die without human contact. So I suspect adults endure a form of a spiritual death when loneliness and lack of human contact occurs later in life. The suicidal mind feels alone above all else. And when we attempt connection with others we feel exhausted and put upon by society’s demands we fail to live up to. Many can and do thrive as single people who are still part of a tribe. But too often, a sense of community in this current civilization is nearly gone. Single people or people in love deprived relationships are doomed. You work for nothing, and you know it. But now you know the truth. The material world is evil because it’s an unwinnable game. Only the broken realize it’s to be renounced. Let others enjoy themselves, but this life was never meant for me and the others posting comments. Tragic beyond words.

  62. Shirley says:

    Help me. I think about sucide all the time I cry constance. My son lives with me and hates me. I have my little dogs that show me love. They are the only things that are keeping me alive . My living situation is horrible. There is no way to change my life. I have a of health problems and need a lot of help. Some days I can’t walk and have to depend on my son for food on. I have gave up eatings. Coffee and milk for me. I just want to die.

    • Just Dave says:

      Hello Shirley
      Your story reminds me of my own mum. She doesn’t walk very well either and relies heavily on my older sister to help her out. (She’s quite far from me and I don’t drive)
      I imagined how she and I would both feel if she couldn’t walk and I had to care for her. She would probably think I hated her too, but I’d just be frustrated at not being able to go out with the lads, have my own space and the like.
      I’m also a father. The best thing that I have to keep going is knowing what hurt I would inflict on my daughter if I actually killed myself.
      I just wanted to say that I’m sure your son (probably) doesn’t hate you. He may resent having to care for you sometimes but that’s just friction since he would obviously want to be his own man.
      I really hope you get the help you need. Whatever that may be. Maybe try to speak to your son? It might be that he doesn’t realise how his behaviour affects you?
      Truly, best wishes.

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        Just Dave,

        Thanks for reaching out to Shirley. I appreciate it very much when readers offer support to each other. I have heard from readers, both in the comments on posts and in private emails, how much it helped them to hear from other readers.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Shirley,

      Your situation sounds terribly painful. Please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, or use the Crisis Text Line at 741-741. I list other resources, too, at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

      The Lifeline number will go to a suicide prevention center in your area, and they can help connect you with other local resources.

      Pets are a big reason for living for many suicidal people. My hope for you is that your love for them continues to sustain you while you get help.

  63. Anonymous says:

    Wow im not alone. i feel suicidal daily usually when some guy breaks my heart. what keeps me going what if i kill myself n the other side is even worse than what im going through now. thats y i dont do it. keep that n mind

    • Rick says:

      I think exactly the same thing.
      I have no proof there is a God etc. or even an afterlife at all but with the shit my my life has already been in afraid it Will end up being worse after death.

  64. Leslie Smith says:

    I’m at the end of my rope, and yet, I keep reminding myself that I’m a Christian, and The Lord knows everything about me. He knew me before I was conceived, and He knows how my story ends. Yet again, I honestly don’t know who (on this Earth) to turn to or what to do. I’m a complete mess. Isolated, enduring crushing loneliness, and not wanting to drive people away by talking about my problems. I’m 59, never married, and have no children. I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar 1, PTSD, major depressive disorder, anxiety, and borderline personality disorder. I’m on the fence about sticking it out, and cashing in my chips.

    • Anonymous says:

      Leslie,

      Some days are harder than others I struggle everyday as well, but God always has a plan for you. I’ve only recently found God but I still struggle daily but as long as God’s your main foundation not a person or thing you’ll be okay. You’re not alone!

    • Anonymous says:

      I also understand you not wanting to tell people and drive them away it’s happened to me twice. But I’d advise to seek professional help

    • Jennifer says:

      I know what you’re feeling. I am a Christian as well. I got divorced and remarried three years ago: since that time my kids and my parents have become people I hardly recognize. I take a lot of the blame for the divorce and the effects it has had on my kids. Life hasn’t turned out like I expected in any way.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Leslie,

      Your situation sounds very painful. I hope you’ll find some people to connect with so that you are not so alone in your pain. There are many communities online that offer support for people with mental illness. For example, if you’re on Facebook, you might connect with others in the BPD Beautiful Support Group, for people with borderline personality disorder.

      You can also use one of the 24-hour resources, such as a hotline or text line, listed at SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

  65. J says:

    Every day. Non stop. I think about ending it. It does feel comfortable. I’m always fucking up jobs and now the little things are getting to me. The only thing that is stopping me from ending it is my child. He needs me so I can’t go anywhere. But I’m also stuck in a part of life that I hate. I hate myself mostly and want to get my life back on track but have no clue where to start.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      J,

      Are you getting help? If not, I hope you will consider seeking help from a therapist, psychiatrist, pastor, or someone else. If so, please share with them what you’ve written here.

      You can always call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255 to talk with someone immediately, or text the Crisis Text Line at 741-741. Both are available 24/7. I list other places, too, where you can get help by phone, email, text, or online chat at http://www.speakingofsuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

  66. Anonymous says:

    I know suicide is the wrong way of thoughts but still I keep on thinking about it since I was 9…

  67. fj says:

    I feel sorry for myself for not doing it. Every day, every single day, I think about it since I was a child. I even tried to do it a couple of times, unfortunately, I was too weak. I imagine myself, I imagine the whole process, the feeling, I imagine every little detail. I don’t know what to do, I’m afraid to talk to someone. Anytime I’ve decided to go to a therapist I stopped myself at the last minute. I can’t do it, I can’t explain it … I just can’t. The worst part is that people around me, my parents, my friends, they think I’m happy, they think I’m great. No one ever asks me if I’m ok.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      fj,

      This sounds so painful. It’s hard enough to have suicidal thoughts and to have felt so bad that you attempted suicide. It’s even harder to be utterly alone with all that pain.

      I understand how difficult it can be to go to a therapist and let them inside your private thoughts. I hope you will try, though. Just connecting with another person and sharing your burden with them has the potential to lighten your burden, at least a little.

      You also could try talking with someone at a hotline or text line. If you are in the U.S., you can call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800.273.8255 or text 741-741 at any time. I list other resources at http://www.SpeakingOfSuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp.

  68. Anonymous says:

    I’m 26 every morning before I get up and at night before sleeping, I imagine my friends and family talking about me like this…”did you know h’es dead, he killed himself” and I constantly think of killing myself.

    [This comment was edited to omit details of a suicide method, per the Comments Policy. – SF]

  69. Anonymous says:

    I understand how this all works being as though i am still here after 37 years of questioning my reason to live/ gods reason for allowing me here on this earth/ sometimes i just believe that i am here only to suffer…my mindset has grown darker due to 2 major deaths in my family within the past 10 months …i would wish my life for not 1 person to have to EVER witness or feel…unfortunately whatever positive has gone completely from my life if thats what a person would call it …one day my pain will be gone ….one day.

    • another one says:

      I feel the same. I think we are both realizing that life is not a good platform to thrive. It’s a tragic realization. We so desperately want to be one of the happy people with fortunate lives, but that’s not the whole truth or anywhere close to it. It takes a life of pain to realize that we all can’t be winners. The pain we experience and endure almost feels like a spiritual awakening. It’s almost like we had to experience it ourselves to realize, “Oh ok, I get it now. Not everyone can live a happy life. Some of us will be miserable. Perhaps this thing called “life” is not exactly good after all. We knew this all along, but we tried to deny it or suppress it or think that we were somehow better or more special than the next. We’re not. Look at history. Look at wars. Look at severe birth defects. Look at slaughterhouses. We were foolish to believe this was ever a good planet or a good system that had us in mind.”

      Everything keeps getting recycled back into the fold. Who knows, maybe in another life we’ll be happy, successful, CEO’s worth billions of dollars as we pump toxins into the water aquifers. Or maybe we’ll be a triumphant general grinning ear to ear as we look across a blood soaked battlefield.

      I sure hope not, but I feel as though to be happy in such a system as found on Earth one has to be a bit of a psychopath. Maybe, the Buddhists and Gnostics were right. When you realize this world is an unwinnable and tragic game then you’ve reached true enlightenment. Our pain might mean we’re more aware. Maybe it’s the goal.

      I hold out hope that a God exists who wants souls to realize how horrible everything is, even though many are smiling ear to ear and singing the siren’s call that “life is amazing.” We know better.

  70. Anonymous says:

    Really, who really cares?
    I mean, what one person can have that much care in them enough to care about you committing suicide?
    Really? I’ve had therapist and I’m no dummy… I see them glancing at their wall clock.
    Really, they don’t even know me from Adam, why would they care about me. I’m just a grain of sand in a world of people. How do they know how to stop me, do they know that I’m staring at them, saying, what can you possibly do for me that would make my life worthwhile? Please.

  71. Anonymous says:

    I think about suicide daily. There is a constant duality in my soul of wanting to end it to not be here anymore so I can end the chronic, constant internal pain that is a blanket over my mind. And then there is the side of me that is normal and just says- get through today. Get through tonight. Get through. Maybe the issues will go away. Maybe someday I will not feel this way. So tonight I’ll curl up in bed and watch Netflix. I want to tell my therapist that last night I looked up how Kate Spade killed herself- and I just tried it. Not to kill myself- but to see if it would hurt. How easy it would be. It was easy. But I didn’t want to do it. The pain of being alive is worse than anything. But I am not really brave enough- or maybe I’m too sane- to really go through with it.. which leads me to the reason I don’t want to tell my therapist I tried this. He will want to put me in an inpatient ward to, what end? Nothing will make me stop wanting to do this and I don’t think it’s a lack of sanity. I feel quite sane. I am just in deep pain.

  72. Travis says:

    I’ve been battling depression which will be 11 years in February. Everyday Is a struggle for me with depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. I’ve attempted it couple times. I’ve been hospitalized 6 times for it. I get worse and worse each day especially when everything and anything goes wrong. My life can be summed up with Murphy’a law. The pain of nobody caring about me in my personal life, constantly getting my heart smashed by women, getting screwed at work, and other things, but the worst is I feel God hates me. I can pray and pray and he is just not hearing me. I don’t want to kill myself, but I feel that is my only option anymore. People will always say to me suicide is a solution for a temporary problem. Well 11 years to me is not temporary. Times I try to say today is a new day and things will get better. Only that is never the case. This time of year especially depresses me more. I never have anybody special to spend the holidays with. I just hope someday soon God will finally take me off this earth so I can finally stop suffering. To the rest of you I hope things get better and you’s all live a long and happy life.

  73. Annon says:

    There isn’t a day that passes where I don’t don’t think about or envisage ways to commit suicide. It could be the best day of my life and suicidal thoughts will linger. I have BPD and yes I have now become very used to having suicidal thoughts. I’m glad I’m not alone. I wish no one else felt this way however it’s comforting to know it’s not as abnormal as I thought.

  74. Natalie says:

    This really hits home with the way I have always felt. I can trace my suicidal thought back to when i was 12, and in some form I think they were there for years before too. I am 26 now and I really don’t feel like I don’t understand why I am still here. I feel most of the time like a failure for still being here, not the other way around like people would expect. I have suffered with Borderline Personality Disorder/Emotional Intensity Disorder, social anxiety, depression and from my teenage years Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I feel like one of these would be a lot to deal with but all of them together has made me feel like I have no way around my problems. Like I am blocked at every point.
    This article sums up exactly what my thinking is towards suicide. It is always in my mind as an option. I always tell myself that if things get bad I can end my life. I also feel addicted to having it as an option. I feel like I don’t even want to contemplate having any thing that would mean that suicide wouldn’t be an option. Like I would feel trapped if I didn’t. So I have been in a constant state for years with just the constant idea of, maybe I will kill myself this time. I feel trapped by lack of wanting to break out of the chronic thoughts of suicide and I feel trapped because I haven’t went through with suicide or haven’t ended up dead. Its a really strange place to be. Borderline Personality Disorder especially can make me unable control my emotions and I can’t get control. The article is right about how I feel in those times. I can get so caught up in emotion and despair that I just want it to stop right away. It makes me erratic and not in the right mind and this is where it is really important to have something to take your mind off of it or you may up hurting yourself. I feel like I have been at this point quite a lot of times and usually my frantic state of mind stops me thinking clearly or at other times I have tried to kill myself but have ended up not being successful (for lack of a better word) due to it not being thought through entirely or it not being the most effective method. At other times I can be almost calm and calculating about it and almost numb. This is also a dangerous way to be and I even think for me personally it is when my thinking is at my most dangerous and self destructive. Because in that frame of mind I am clear about my goal and I want to be successful (again not best choice of word) in killing myself. I feel like I would be more likely to try to kill myself in the erratic heightened suicidal state, but less likely to actually end my life, but more likely to end my life with the other more numb detached way of thinking about it. Both are horrible places to be. Suicide as a thought for just about every second of everyday is such a mentally draining , soul crushing way to live. Sometimes it is there in the front of my mind and sometimes it is background noise. But it is always there. Sometimes something triggers it and sometimes I just wake up and feel I don’t want to go on. Having these thought constantly always becomes an addiction. But there has to be ways to deal with this. Because just simply having two options of either living with the pain and the constant fear and pushing through, and the other option of death, is not a way to live.

  75. cupcakes431 says:

    What some people don’t understand about depression is that, there isn’t a cure. It’s like I’m constantly disappointing my relatives with my depression. I don’t want to be a burden or an embarrassment to them anymore. Some give me the impression they want me to “get over” my depression like it’s just the flu. I’ve been through too much trauma in my life. Too many mistakes. Too much regret. Too much pain. Too much struggle. A lot of self loathing. Suicidal thoughts & suicide is a last option for me. I’ve been to therapy for over 8 years. I’m taking medication too. Depression seems to worsen for me year after year. I can’t wait til I die someday.

    • Anonymous says:

      I feel the exact same way.

    • Annon says:

      Trust me, you aren’t alone. Many of us have dealt with depression most of our life. The degree of it comes and goes. Whenever I have suicidal thoughts I think about what that would do to people I know who do care and love me. Meds and therapy help but there is no cure. Treatment just helps take the edge off and helps you hang on. Just hang on and remember there are thousands of us out there experiencing the same pain and frustrations. You are not alone.

  76. Nobody says:

    Digging in the darkness of the internet, it seems there really isn’t any help for people like me.

    Sure, there’s some sympathy. I can see there are a few people who would prefer i didn’t feel as badly as i do.

    But there’s no help. And so, there’s no hope.

    The hopelessness is the worst part. It confirms the fear that there’s no reason to persist. And so there’s no reason to exist.

    Why bother? Why endure daily sadness, daily loneliness, daily mood swings, daily pain that becomes unbearable? My sadness become so overwhelming sometimes i yell out loud. But most the time it is a persistent, crippling distraction that i cannot overcome, as i try to simply hang on. I feel cursed to be miserable forever.

    I am exhausted, like I’ve been treading water for years. I am so tired, and i can see no reason to continue. I only wish someone would rescue me. Is there anyone, anywhere? God, please help me.

    • Anonymous says:

      I feel like I wrote that.

    • ASHLEY ROSE A.K.A. A.ROSE says:

      DEAR “NOBODY,”
      YOU R “SOMEBODY”.
      SOMEBODY I KNOW ALL TOO WELL.. THAT NOBODY LIVES INSIDE OF ME TOO.. EVERY LETTER OF THE WORDS U WROTE;WHEN I READ THEM THATS WHEN I REALIZED U HELPED ME REALIZE SOMEONE IN THIS WORLD LITERALLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT I GO THREW TOO..I HEAR U, I ACKNOWLEDGE THE FUCKING GUT WRENCHING SAD ,LONELY, LOST ,MISUNDERSTOOD,EMPTY, “JUST TOO DIFFERENT” FOR THIS FUCKED UP SOCIETY, I SEE AND HEAR AND FEEL ALL OF U..I WAS IN DOWNTOWN SAN JOSE,CA TODAY AND I WAS LIGHTING A CIGARETTE AND THIS GIRL WALKED BY ME AND WITH HER EYES SHE ASKED ME FOR A CIGARETTE AND AS I WENT TO REACH FOR ONE TO GIVE TO HER, SHE BURST OUT IN TEARS, THATS WHEN I REALIZED SHE HAD THAT NOBODY THAT LIVES INSIDE OF HER TOO AND I GOT OUT OF MY CAR AND HUGGED HER FOR PROBABLY 2 MINS STRAIGHT AS SHE CRIED..I DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HER BUT I SAID IVE BEEN THAT GIRL TOO MANY TIMES IN MY LIFE TO NOT COMFORT HER

    • Anonymous says:

      Amen. I totally agree, I feel the same.

  77. Anonymous says:

    i’ve had suicidal thoughts for a long time now, i don’t know when it started but my head hurts and im tired of it. i want to reach out but feel like im just going to get rejected. suicide is the first thing that pops in head when things get too complicated

  78. Jacob says:

    I am a 17 yr old trans guy. I continually think about suicide. I was hospitalized for a week about a month ago, but it didn’t help. I’m just getting really, really tired of dealing with it. I want to reach out to people, but I’m afraid that they will get tired of me. I don’t think this pain will ever end. I have great people in my life, but at any inconvenience I think about overdosing or cutting. But there is nothing to do about it. I believe in God, so I feel guilty that I don’t just trust in them. I don’t know anymore.

    • Sierra says:

      I just came across this page because for years I’ve been having suicidal thoughts I’ve been told I have severe depression PTSD and borderline personality disorder my suicidal thoughts has gotten worse and I used to self harm and I’m afraid I’m going to relapse again in July I had a miscarriage and I feel like a monster how could I not save my own child from myself? In August I sent to the cancer center for having high platelets and it’s like a never ending waiting game on watching my white cells and red cells now, I feel like nobody hears me or understands how broken I am everyone depends on me for advice or when they need money I’m 21 years old and my life isn’t in order like it should be I wish I could be as great as my sister was and both of my parents would be proud of me, but instead it’s like I’m trying to buy their love and nothing works.

      • Jacob says:

        I don’t know you; I only know what you commented. But I am confident that you are not to blame for the loss of your child, and I’m so sorry that happened to you. Please give yourself room to mourn, but remember you are not to blame for bad things that happen to you. You can only control how you respond to those things. You can control who you surround yourself with, and the thoughts you gently acknowledge and let go or the thoughts you focus on. You are worthy of support and love and self care.

  79. nathaniel says:

    please help I am having suicide thoughts and my head hurts I have no friends everyone is just walking away from me when i’m at school life is hard and I feel like the only way people would actually care is if I was dead that is when they would cry If and only if I am just a hopeless person I don’t like life anymore people say im creepy weird and I freak everybody out well that just offends me and so yes I am alone except I have 2-3-4-5 friends. people say im always making girls uncomfortable well im in highschool see since my first day there i just keep thinking about prom and all that but my thoughts also control my actions which leads to the reason of why I’m so alone and why I want to die so bad

    • Aaron Johanningsmeier says:

      Something that might make you feel more comfortable about yourself is googling if any of your favorite music artists or people you look up to, have similar qualities to yourself or your perception of life. You change as you get older, allowing yourself to use all of your life experiences that have shaped you, even negative ones into a better realization of who you are as a person and what route you should take based on your skill set and interests. Never limit your possibilities. Always do what makes you enjoy sticking around.

  80. Sindi Muçaj says:

    I Just Need To Talk To Someone Who Understands Me I’ve Been Having Depression A lot Lately And I’m Only 9 Years Old

    • Dear God, child, may I please urge you to have the courage to confide in a trusted adult about your continuing depression. What you are going through, unfortunately, is normal for a whole lot of people. Help is available. Please talk to the school nurse, a suicide prevention hotline, a church minister, or any other adult you trust; and, yes, that hopefully includes your parents. I know. I lost my 15 year-old son to suicide.

    • Carrie Culver says:

      Im sorry . Maybe your parents or grandparents or a counselor can help you. Talk to someone you trust.

    • P Virany says:

      I would be happy to talk to you. I am a Director, and I have a website/reel at paulavirany.com. Just click on the contacts page and you will see my gmail address there. Maybe I cannot help you, but maybe I can.

    • Rebecca Rader says:

      I am so very sorry….you are going through this sweetie. You are worth it, I’m sure you have many people who love you. There is help out there, please talk to someone!!!!!! Big hugs the world love you💕🙏🏻💕🙏🏻

  81. Anonymous says:

    My suicidal thoughts didn’t truly come till I was 19. I have never been hospitalized or anything, but have tried therapy, medication, exercise, etc. The thoughts still linger. And I’m tired of experimenting on myself with drugs. We need new creative solutions to fighting depression, or more people will be devasted by America’s poor mental health system.

    If I wasn’t so privileged I would definitely be homeless right now.

    • Anonymous says:

      Research ketamine therapy. It is working well enough that drug companies are trying to develop new, similar alternatives which work the same but can be sold at a higher price. If you are privileged, maybe someone can help you get this treatment. I would try it if i could. Good luck. I hope you make it. I hope you can find a way out of this hell.

  82. Samantha says:

    Well here I am laying in bed again, trying to talk myself out of my sadness. I had to laugh at the car comment though- thank you for that. My car really is broke down and it’s one thing in a string of events that has made me feel like a loser, hopeless.
    I was hospitalized 3 times after the birth of my youngest son nearly 3 years ago and I promised myself I wouldn’t let it get this bad. And yet, here I am. I walked outside with the intention of stepping out in front of a train but I turned away and went back home. The thought of my kids being separated from each other after the inevitable outcome of my husband being unable to take care of them is what stops me. But my life is far worse than it was 3 years ago. Eviction, loss of security,the inability of me being able to get a job or secure childcare has left me feeling very empty and useless as a mother. My children deserve better than the life I’ve given them and they deserve a mom who doesn’t feel dead inside. They didn’t ask to be born and I have failed them. I don’t see the point of going to the hospital or getting help again when I just fail over and over. I wish I knew how to fix this.

    • Anonymous says:

      Sweetheart, you clearly care about your children. If you do your best to provide for them and get by, they will remember you for that. Not what you were able to give them. You are clearly going through hard times. Just try to think how you can better your situation in the long run and chip away at it. Trust me, your kids will look back and see your efforts more than they will how comfortable you have made life for them. You sound like a good mother, and it has nothing to do with wealth. Do some research about what kind of assistance you are eligible for. It is there for you if you look for it. Hang in there!

  83. Jessica says:

    I’m 32 I’ve dealt with these suicidal thoughts my whole life and dont know why I dont act on them. They are almost just a part of my everyday life now. I’m glad to see I’m not alone. I dont talk about it to anyone because I dont want anyone worrying about me so far I’ve kept it under check. I’m not even depressed when the thoughts arise I could be having a great day and it’s just a thought almost like saying I’m hungry but instead it says you can kill yourself. I could never figure out why my mind thinks of it or what has caused it to start it’s been so long I dont even remember the first time it started. I’m an RCM and it makes me kind of relate better to my clients but I’ve never told them it just makes it easier for me to understand what they are going through

  84. Ross H says:

    It makes me feel better to know I’m not alone with these thoughts. I was begining to think I was crazier than I thought. I just can’t stop thinking this way …… it’s been happening since I was very young and I’m now 50. Thank you

  85. Billy says:

    I just recently turned 22 and I have had Suicidal thoughts ever since I was 12 I’ve become numb to the thoughts but often fear them it’s to the point were i will get them multiple times a day and I don’t know why. I have been through therapy and been on multiple anti Psychotic medicines I’m just not sure we’re to from here

  86. glen says:

    ive been thinking of suicide for many months. was looking at death images from suicides on the web few months ago..wanted to remind myself it is messy and would be painful. i dont drink dont do drugs no break ups,no lost jobs,no money woes. not sure really why but it creeps in my head every now and then about offing myself depression? not sure, married , im 52 with a 3 year old and probably the only thing keeping from doing it is my child. i have visions of the act many times today even with wife here im looking out window thinking of sticking a gun in my mouth .i’m thinking i just want to send a message to my wife or estranged family that i am not happy and i want them to change the way they think and act towards me. ive become very moody and pissed off about every thing lately too.i really hate being that way towards wife and baby. i know wife knows im pissed or unhappy whatever but i cant tell her reasons why it would lead to even more strife and send me over the edge probably. its like i want her to know that shit she does makes me unhappy but then again im going to have to piss her off to let her know how i feel and that will probably end it right there. right now alone and the means to do it i am in thought,when i do i get sad,thinking of how it could be nice ,my child,what ive worked for. sucks,makes be kinda feel like a coward for not being able to go through with it as well. wouldnt take much effort to do so. do i leave a huge mess for the wife to find and clean up?,that will teach her..leave her with those images do i do it in the woods and no one would know for months or years? go out in a blaze or go out quietly? such a coward. im sad now…thanks for letting me write this.

    • Anonymous says:

      Glen,
      I just left a post a few days ago. I relate with what you are saying very much, though my kids are older than yours. I’ve never really been satisfied with how my life was progressing, but the suicidal thoughts just started creeping in as I lose hope of anything changing as I get close to 50. Similar to how you describe, I think about the methods and scenarios also… Right now I feel safe because my parents are alive, and I couldn’t do that to them. What scares me is what will happen when they are gone. I think sometimes “what is so bad that you want to do this? You have your health, you’re not financially damaged, and if your marriage is doing it, then you can leave.” For some reason I can’t get my mind to think of the possibility of making some radical change, and I would rather die. Hang in there, man. Feel free to write back.

      [This comment was edited to abide by the site’s Comments Policy. — SF]

      • glen says:

        yeah, same old same old..gong on 3 week vacation and i really can care less, i guess it will be distraction at least. yeah the wife and baby make me happy but i am un happy when she is unhappy with me for being unhappy? make sense?if the marriage ended and away from baby lost all my stuff, that would probably be the nail in the coffin. thats probably only thing keeping from not doing it. and probably the cause of me thinking about it… yeah it sucks.i go day by day. thanks for the response,nice to know im not alone or freaking insane.

      • Aaron says:

        Both of you hit home a lot! I’m 27 and no kids or my own ‘family’and I went through a break up recently that really pushed the thoughts backs up.. even after a couple months and missing her has subsided, the loneliness presides.. but ya I’m doing well
        Compared to most people
        My age.. i make enough, own my vehicles, and have a mortgage rather than rent.. but yet.. I feel like these thoughts occur way more than friends that are in much worse states.. I only have a mom, but since I can remember I couldn’t go through with it until she’s past, couldn’t make her go through that.. it’s awful! Entertained making the ‘good bye’ letter before and never got very far.. recently googled it and found out something like 60% don’t write one and that made it that much easier.. just pick up the gun and do it and it’s done. Easy and done. Held it for quite a while.. again.. it was the thought of my mom that I couldn’t do it.. and ya, I’ve thought about doing it to cause pain to an ex, but that’s inmutare, don’t cause someone else pain, they don’t deserve it…. thanks guys! I envy your family, I don’t know the experience myself. But maybe look at the kid and the women that loves you and chose to make you a constant part of your life and know how much you matter to them…

      • glen says:

        yeah so back from trip…thoughts of suicide even while sunning and swimming. wtf am i to do… i feel numb sometimes and sit and stare when i am alone,which is not too often lately

    • Anonymous says:

      Hey.

  87. Elyce Mandich says:

    I am an LCSW at a high school and just wanted to tell you how helpful your articles are regarding suicide. Specially this one and how to ask questions about suicide. Thank you!

  88. Gary says:

    I am a male of 49, married, 1 adult child and 1 teenager. Over the past couple of years suicidal thoughts have been creeping into my mind, and now are there daily. I appear stable and rational, and in control of my life. I do not feel that way at all. Though I have a decent career and my children seem to be headed in a good direction, I feel a sense of waste, and do not like where life has taken me. I am older now and my hopes and dreams are disappearing. My wife has struggled with depression for years, and though we have a stable marriage, I think her negativity is really taking a toll on me. In addition, my children do not respect me or my wife, and I feel like I am despised by them in a way. My wife and them just have almost no relationship. When they need something they run to me. Like I have been with my parents, I always expected to have a close family relationship with my children, and it’s apparent now that is not happening. All of this may sound trite to others with real problems, but I can’t help it. I travel often, and when I sit in hotel rooms, as I am now, I think of Anthony Bourdain. I really related with his personality.
    I enjoy company and conversation, but feel very lonely. Right now I’m safe because I would never take my life while my parents are alive, and also an aunt. I don’t feel as much for my wife and children. That would really shock those who know me. I have completely lost faith in religion which has removed the fear of being punished after death for suicide. After seeing my wife have pills prescribed for depression which have terrible side effects, like turning her into a zombie and causing carelessness about everything including parenting, I don’t have much faith in professional help. I find myself turning to alcohol some evenings and weekends as a means of escape, knowing that when it wears off I will return to a clear mind. I guess I am writing this because I feel it’s my own therapy. I wish you all as many good times as you can have.

    • Chris says:

      Dear Gary, I am sorry for the way you are feeling. It really does hurt if you feel that your relationships with your children haven’t developed the way you hoped. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. when I was very lonely, I would go to the beach or for a hike. I have had some wonderful conversations there with people i have met and will never meet again. I also read a lot and try to lose myself in the characters for a while. At one point in my life, Zoloft really helped my depression, I don’t know if you have tried that or not. And it was prescribed in a way that started with a low dose and moved up until it was effective. It did not make me lethargic or anything like that. I travelled for business constantly for 7 years, and that can add to your isolation. It really takes a toll on your social life. I wonder if that is contributing to your isolation? Alcohol is also a depressant and probably isn’t helping your mood. Feel free to write to me.

      • Anonymous says:

        Hi Chris. I appreciate your kind words and advice. I do find ways to cope temporarily like you do with beach walks and hikes, but it only makes things better during the time I am doing it. Also, the alcohol seems to give me a good escape as I am never a “sad drunk”, and it always puts me in more of a cheery mood. I just want to go there too often, and am worried about the health effects and eventual dependency. I understand what you mean about the isolation while traveling, though at least I get to sit in hotel bars and speak to others sometimes who are also traveling. You know, I feel bad seeing the terrible situations others on here are in, and think I should just stop whining and find a hobby or something. 5 years ago I never thought I’d be like this. Maybe you are right about finding the right medication. As I said before, I’ve just seen my wife get dumbed down by it to the point where it affected her career and cares in life. I’m terrified of getting that way without realizing it. I suppose I need to at least talk to someone, and can always take or leave the medications.

  89. Bella says:

    Thank you for this. I’m a mom of a 17 yrs old who attempted suicide 5 times in less than 8 months. I’m a nurse but I couldn’t understand it. It was a drastic change. He was a promising athlete who was charming, well rounded, born leader, sweet kid. And all of a sudden 180 degrees change. I thought there was something traumatic might have happen.

    I’m still trying to understand so I can help him best. It difficult when sometimes it feels like we’re fighting the health care system.

    Again, thank you for this insight ❤️

  90. Channell says:

    Thanks you for caring

  91. Morag says:

    I’m 31 and I have BPD and I can remember wanting to die since I was about 9. Years of constant bullying and molestation took their toll. At this point, suicide is always option #3 no matter what happens. Even if I’m at a wedding or doing something I enjoy it is always in the back of my head. There just doesn’t seem to be a point to life anymore when the future is hopeless. I think I have felt trapped since I was 20, it just took 10 years for me to fully realize and accept it, which is probably why I’m in the horrific spot I’m in now. My friends get worried when I talk about dying but to me it’s just another choice as simple as something on a menu for dinner. I can’t even vocalize how I feel to my family because they are tired of hearing about this for so long and say if I wanted to do it I just would. Well, I will one day, I’m just not at that point yet, but I’m terrified of when that point will actually be. I have tried therapy of all kinds, the one thing I have not touched is medication but I am at the point where the urge is so strong every morning (especially at work-no one with mental illness should EVER work in a customer service position, btw) that I am almost willing to try. I just can’t see myself going through another 10 or 15 years of living like this, waking up each day and wondering if today will be the day that finally pushes me over the edge, even for stupid shit like someone yelling at me too long on the phone at work. It’s just damaging and I feel like my soul is eroded like a mountainside by snow or rain-the feelings I have are the element and one day the mountain just crumbles. It feels like I have no soul or that I’m a black hole that can’t ever be filled. I just want peace and if that means by death then I’ll do it. I don’t even want a good life or to be happy anymore, I just want this to stop.

  92. Pattie says:

    “If the person is simply having the same thoughts that they have had for many years, don’t panic. Instead, compassionately listen and empathize with the person. Ask how you can be of help. ”
    Just wanted to highlight that point, Stacey.
    This is where the mental health field has gone off track, and needs to learn to listen. I am always cautious in what I say, and yet I’ve learned how dangerous these people can be when they dont know what they are doing.
    On the positive side, when I was Oregon, the understanding of “trauma-informed care” was refreshingly noticable. I also appreciated one therapist who said, “I know I can’t save the world, and while I hope you won’t take your own life, I know I can’t stop you. ” It was her respect that I appreciated, and I think other therapists need to remember their job is to support, not to police people.

    • Gabster says:

      Well said! I’m tired of people not listening,it’s becoming more of the problem than our own suicidal tendencies..another reason why it’s worse..we know no one listens,they are policing instead of trying to help

  93. Kellen says:

    The first time I remember wanting to kill myself I was 6 years old. It was a stupid fight over something I don’t remember, but I recall standing in the kitchen with a knife at my heart thinking I would plunge it into my chest and end my life. The thought of dying never really left me though. It grew more defined as I aged, but it’s always been there. One of my biggest struggles is that so many people don’t seem to understand that this isn’t a causal effect where something’s been going badly in my life and I want to die as a result. I’ve never heard of Frank King but that quote is so perfectly accurate to my life. It’s always there, always an option. When I have a “flare up” there usually isn’t a particular reason. I’ve just felt this way for so long and my interest in living reaches a low point to where I just want to die with every fiber of my being. Even when I am on top of the world and I am so happy and content with life (especially those times, actually) I will feel an immense desire to kill myself while I’m at my best. I think the phrase “so happy I could die” is truly lost on most people, or rather that they don’t really mean it. These chronic suicidal thoughts make it so hard to express my desire to die because I struggle to convey into words that this is something I deal with everyday, and that it’s not a temporary condition. How do you describe to someone why you feel a certain way when it’s just always been there? I’ve always told people the best way thing you could compare me to is an addict of some kind, but instead of always wanting a drink, I always have thoughts of suicide nagging at me. 6 years ago when I turned 21 I tried to kill myself and was in a psych hospital. It helped tremendously, but for about two years I put all those feelings in a box and believe my mental health issues were a product of my adolescence and my still developing brain. After a few years though I was starting to break down again and went through an existential crisis. As the first time that my suicidal thoughts were forcing their return, this meant that my previous belief was in fact false. This pain would always be with me in some fashion or another. Since then I’ve gone through good and bad times, but the return of the bad was never as hard as that first time. I don’t know how to cope with this though. For the past year and a half things have started to get worse more frequently, I’ve started to develop more anxiety (previously I wouldn’t describe myself as afflicted by anxiety, only depression). I had to take a month long leave of absence last summer, I wanted to again this summer but felt that I couldn’t because of the stigmas associated with depression and suicidality. I couldn’t let my work believe this would be a recurring event every year or two. Instead though I am bottling things until I reach a point where I physically can’t. I’m on this website because today was one of those days. I have spent 90% of my day at work googling suicide related topics (I even did this on my phone, lest my work find out if I did it on my desktop computer). Today I have sobbed at my desk while biting my arm to stifle the sound. I’ve gone to the bathroom to cry because I was worried someone might come to my desk to ask me something and see the state I was in. I feel like I’m doing a tap dance on the edge of a cliff and sooner or later I’m just going to go over the side, and there won’t even be a particular reason for it. Just my generalized depression. This is a hard concept for people to understand though since most of the people I talk to think it’s like breaking your wrist, wearing a cast, then you’re fine until another issue occurs to hurt you in some way.

    • James says:

      Hi, Kellen. I have been in this state also for a long period. This past month i lost a lot, 30 year career etc.. i did not expect to be alive today. I was prepared to leave. Since i was young. Now more prevalent. Anyway, i wanted to tell you thanks for letting us know we are not alone. Email me if you want. Id like to hear from you.

  94. Vince Barbieri says:

    Thank you

    For the insight.

  95. Ffjn says:

    I don’t know how to cope anymore My suicidal thoughts have become like a coping mechanism for me and on some days they get so bad, I don’t know what to do

  96. Elizabeth Mckinney says:

    I looked this up hoping to find a solution. This has gotten so bad now that I think about suicide and fantasize about it almost hourly unless distracted. At night I can’t sleep anymore. I lay here right now at 5am trying to fall asleep obsessively fantasizing and planning suicide. The comfort of it is all that gets me to sleep. I am no longer able to leave my home because of anxiety brought on by shame and self loathing.

    Therapy would be nice if I could afford it or bring myself to leave home… But I already know I won’t listen fully. I’m a practical person and what I want are solutions to my problems not masks, tricks and bandaids.

    I don’t expect this comment to exact any effect. I simply felt compelled to post. Thank you for giving me a label to identify myself with. Knowing it exists helps me be a little stronger.

    • Marcus says:

      I read it and by the fact i did that & then felt compelled to reply – it did exact some effect. I think i know how you feel. My sadness attacks me periodically to what i believe to have the end goal of eventually killing, or worse -destroying me entirely. I am 38 and been battling this at least 20 years…. possibly even 30+ – its hard to know. I have given up being part of the outside world & know systematically i am dismantling my known existence to those outside. My car broke down & i left it where it was. My phone broke and i did not replace it. On the rare occasion the manic energy my sadness can manifest takes on the form of “positive change” – i am left disappointed and hating myself for trying due to the realisation that those who i reached out to in an effort to recharge my hope – left me disappointed. The jury has spoken & their verdict is pretty clear.
      At times i think i am doing this with the motivation of a rebirth – but when the sadness hits the realisation is that i am doing it as a precursor of my death. I keep a small piece of my existence protected to ensure i have at least some essence left for my son and a lesser extent, my wife – but thats all i have left in me now – only my love and respsonbility to them stops the self loathing completely taking control. It stuns me its not obvious to more people – perhaps it is and they don’t give a shit, who knows…

      The thing people don’t get to why people commit suicide is, being sad and depressed all the time is incredibly exhausting. Being within the sadness is so exhausting and very unfullfilling. “Faking” that you are not within the sadness to keep loved ones expectations of you consistent is even more exhausting & eventually leads you to the realisation that you are nothing by a liar and fraud to the only people who have not disowned you….. committing suicide seems a fitting end to such a problem.

      • A.ROSE says:

        I’m 32. Im seriously at a loss for words on how much I identify with u,u hit the nail on the head. Only someone that suffers as we do could describe it as u did but for those that will not ever understand the dark pain we go through they should read ur comment.

  97. Dorothy Lawson says:

    Thank you! I often have Suicidal Thoughts. I have been diagnosed with anxiety/depression. My symptoms present as sadness. I cry, sometimes hysterically. When it’s bad I might say *I want to die”. Was worried about saying that too much, after all, I don”t take any action of any kind, no follow up.

  98. Jane mastro says:

    You mention that words are critical to the discussion about diseases that cause many suicides.For the past 30 years that I have been speaking on that topic. I stopped using the term MENTAL ILLNESS decades ago and use the term Brain disease because I believe it to be more accurate. MENTAL ILLNESS simply has too much inaccurate baggage associated with it. It doesn’t readily incorporate all that medical model psychiatry has taught us and is illustrated via Pet scans etc.
    It is no surprise to me that a drug like ketamine that can halt the pain of a migraine is also effective with refractory depression.
    Jhmastro

  99. Anonymous says:

    Your article mentions psychological pain..yet PET SCANS have shown that people with severe depression experience very real physical pain.
    Further discussions about this are important regardless of the fact that we may not understand it.

  100. Jane says:

    What I don’t read much about is the intense physical pain caused by refractory depression…it feels like it is pouring out of every pore….it never stops….one lives with it 24/7….it makes waking hours a nightmare and prevents one from getting much needed sleep. It is the worse pain I have ever experienced…and it responds to no normal methods of dealing with pain…not to hot baths.. pain killers.. or massage. Apparently ketamine successfully stops the pain…but how very few of us can afford IV ketamine.

    My hope is that a more affordable method is developed to administer ketamine…nose sprays..
    Lozenges…but for those of us in the USA even those would no doubt be too costly. How long can one wait when physical pain is your constant companion.??

  101. cindy brawner says:

    What stuck in my mind was “suicide is always in on the menu”. I get a reprieve from suicidal thinking just to have it come around again, this is real upsetting because each time I think it is over. Maybe one day it will totally leave me.

  102. Ben says:

    A supposedly suicidal person who calls a crisis line is ambivalent about his decision. On the other hand, a person who truly wants to die will not call a crisis line, or say or do anything that would lead others to lock him up. Given this, the whole idea of so-called Safety Contracts seems nonsensical.

    A friend of mine (PhD in Clinical Psych) is professor emeritus in psychiatry at an internally renowned university. He told me that, in his first decade or two of practice, he used to employ Safety Contracts, but then he finally realized that Safety Contracts don’t work for the very reason I mentioned in my opening paragraph. Now, he no longer uses contracts. He said that some four decades of practice have helped him understand that, if a client wants to commit suicide, he cannot stop him.

  103. A.Rose says:

    Who is prone to chronic suicidal thoughts, when I read people with BPD MY eyes stopped reading and i started sobbing I’ve known I’ve had BPD for years now im always looking for comfort and answers anyway I can to help ease my emotional and psychological pain. I googled when thoughts of suicide go on too long is it even a feeling anymore, its my state of being how the Fuck dose someone deal with that. That’s insanity .im the classic can’t medicate I’ve tried every treatment and therapy there is I’ve done it the right way wrong was by the book way the half assed way the same .to most im sounding negative im not being negative im saying the facts of my truth

    • Anonymous says:

      Every weekend for me its like clock work

    • David Crichton says:

      I think there are probably quite a lot of us like this, but there is no way forwards, although plenty of people will take your money for talking.
      I’ve had an idea about developing a website which would be organised along research based lines and include comments and actions from people like us who at present don’t seem to feature anywhere, but we do need help and perhaps we can develop our own system.
      Certainly writing down some positives each day and throwing away some negatives.

      anyone interested in helping me??

    • David Crichton says:

      DBT is supposed to be the way forwards for you . It does seem like Dr Linehan’s fortune though as she has developed a big organisation around it. There is a book and many groups. Have you tried it?

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        David,

        I don’t understand your implied judgment about Dr. Linehan’s “fortune” around having developed an organization around DBT. Isn’t that the case of any treatment that has evidence of effectiveness – that the professionals who developed it try to disseminate it so that people can be helped? The same is true of other mental health treatments such as cognitive behavior therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and more, but it also extends into treatments for conditions that are not psychiatric.

        Based on other comments you’ve left on this site, it seems you also believe that professionals should not receive money for their work helping suicidal people. Is that correct? If so, is there a reason why people who develop or provide treatments to suicidal individuals should not be compensated for their contribution, time, and expertise?

    • Morag says:

      I feel exactly the same as you do.

  104. David Crichton says:

    I have now been living with chronic suicidal thoughts almost every waking minute for the past 6 years. This has meant I can’t think about anything else or really do much else’
    I have had serious cycle accidents try to do exercise to distract and the doctors now have nothing left to try for me I’ve had numerous meds, some which nearly killed me with side effects of pulmonary embolus and a stroke. They are now so worried that I am seen every day ( and have been for 7 months now)
    Admission will be shameful and make me worse.
    And now I have been arrested for my internet attempts to throw away thoughts and I have been convicted for texting someone who I thought could help me.
    From a national level athlete and high profile doctor I have become a disabled shamed person.
    Life is now terrible and my family have had enough of me

    • Mary says:

      I do not know that your family has had enough of you, and I hope you might consider that is depression talking, but I am stricken by your story and your chronic suicidal thoughts so resonate with another former national athlete and high profile doctor with children that I am married to…that I am compelled to beg you to use your training to consider if there is any way to destigmatize what is becoming an ever growing crisis in health care delivery. You probably don’t have the bandwidth to take this up, but you are not alone. Any thought helps.

      • David Crichton says:

        Dear Mary

        I would be very keen to learn of anything that you and your partner have found helpful

        I am getting worse despite the fact that my court case is now over and the media have stopped their terribe stories about me
        I am complaining about the line the media have taken and the little note they made of my acquital , but still being convicted for asking for help seems very unjust

  105. No says:

    I been thinking of suicide for years. Why would i call a hotline? Not looking for attention just want to die

    • Pattie says:

      To No: I agree. I dont even relate to the way this is framed.
      I dont find this life worth living, and yet, i feel like theres a reason for it, so i get what i can learn from it. To portray it as a “simple option” or an escape cheapens the contemplation of life and death.
      If im ready to die, im not going to call someone to try to talk me out of it. Its not an impulse that i cant control.

      • Regina says:

        I am 47 and had my first thought of suicide at age 7 and everyday after if you do not have it you can’t even begin to understand and that’s ok I would never wish this on my worst enemy..oh wait.. I am my worst enemy haha..

      • A.ROSE says:

        Oh Regina no truer words ever spoken about the subject.That’s what so many people in this life r ignorant and blind to… If this is not something u suffer and struggle with there is no possible way to understand it, and ur right that is OK…. Most people go through there whole life without thinking about suicide let alone making a true attempt and not just a cry for help, when that thought and agonizing struggle of suicide becomes your normal state of being that is what gets misunderstood. People like us need a different kinda help and I do not know what that is if such a thing even exists…

  106. Joe Doe says:

    More people die each year by suicide than by car accidents. SC alone has over 1000 traffic deaths/year..

    But funding to help those of us who struggle has been cut year after year for decades.

    I am disabled, can’t work, divorced, live in parents attic and will be homeless once they are gone. I’m 47yo, associates and Bachelors. Worked 60-80 hrs/week for almost 20 years. I have taken handfuls of pills many times over the years, drove my car into a tree a year ago and think about suicide 24/7. ITS NOT A CHOICE, I CAN’T WILL IT AWAY, AN 800 NUMBER IS NO HELP. I’ve seen dozens of psychiatrists and counselors, tried over 20 medications but nothing helps. Rich and famous ppl take their lives and they don’t have half the problems I do.
    EVERYWHERE I TURN, THE SOLUTION IS TO CALL AN 800 NUMBER.
    I’ll bet my life that even a presidential suicide won’t spur funding and REAL help for the millions suffering this problem.
    Death to the 99% is what the 1% live for.
    I WELCOME an end to this world. Bring the nukes!

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Joe Doe,

      The suffering you’re experiencing sounds awful, and it sounds like hotlines are not helpful to you. I do have other resources listed at http://www.speakingofsuicide.com/resources/#immediatehelp that aren’t 1-800 numbers. Maybe one will be useful.

      Also the following posts might be of interest:

      “What Stops You From Killing Yourself?”

      “Like Clouds Before the Sun”: Mindfulness and Suicidal Thoughts

      Talking Back to Suicidal Thoughts

      If you’ve encountered resources that have helped get you through difficult nights, please feel free to share them here.

    • Lost hope says:

      Wow! The last comment was June 11, 2018 and with very few responses. Plus the responses offer no help or guidance only references to someone or something else. Mr. Joe Doe, you and I are very similar in our experiences of life, and in my case with death as well. I have spent my whole life with death and despair all around me. Chronic suicidal thoughts and thoughts of (SDV) are a constant companion. I have been trying to obtain assistance for many years but it seems all the mental health community wants to do is lock you up for 10 days and throw medications at you. In my case, there are very few people who have experienced what I have to during my life, therefore it is extremely difficult to find anyone to understand. If you find someone they are not accessible, either due to cost, insurance or work schedule. Then add fear of being locked up and loosing some of the rights you have always had just adds to it. When it comes to mental health issues, complaints and treatments it is trial and error. I have yet to find a so called mental health professional who has a clue of what they are doing. I have seen and been involved in too many suicides to count as well as countless other traumatic events and there is just no one out there to talk to about it. This leaves you feeling alone, useless, antisocial, meaningless, confused, very afraid, hyper-vigilant and concerned for yourself and the few people you do know, but are not friends because you do not have any, that at some point in time, under the right circumstance you will go through with it. Then that act will mentally cause great mental pain, anguish and guilt for the people that just may care.

    • Lee says:

      I’ve been suicidal most all my life in and out of therapy so many times only to find it comes back and I’m sick of fighting it just ready to let it take its course

  107. suicide girl says:

    i have thought of killing myself and its hard to stop thinking like this my boyfriend told me that if i kill myself he will die to be with me. I have to think about my little sister because i’m all the family she has and if i’m gone she will have no one and i don’t want to do that to her but its hard i have to work deal with school pay the bills and i’m just 16 and girls picking on me non stop. i’ve even tried to kill my self already and i cant handle the stress and all. if u know a way to help me out please tell me.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Suicide Girl,

      Please talk to an adult about how you’re feeling and ask them for help. It could be a teacher at school, or your boyfriend’s mom, or someone else you know.

      Or you could go to a hospital emergency room and tell them you are having suicidal thoughts and have attempted suicide already. You might not be admitted to the hospital, but the doctor could help you get set up with a therapist or psychiatrist who could help you.

      You also can text the Crisis Text Line at any time at 741-741, or call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800.273.8255.

      And if you feel in immediate danger of acting on your suicidal thoughts, you can always call 911.

      Thank you for asking for help here. I hope this information helps you.

    • Ryan says:

      Suicide girl from reading your comment, you are dealing with alot of stress, the girls picking on you seems like a major problem. My question is what is the major problem that is causing you thoughts of killing yourself the stress of having alot of burdens to deal with or the girls picking on you. Since you are 16 the picking on you will stop once you graduate. Are you overweight and thats why they pick on you, if so you can cut out most sugar and get on the low carb diet. You are beautiful to many peoples eyes so don’t let this small time in your life be the deciding factor in your suicidal thoughts. Your boyfriend seems like he loves you very much so do your best to improve your life and cling on to your boyfriend because he seems to love you alot. School is a very cruel place and once you’re out do your best to stay as good as you can and love yourself and others the most you can. Hang in there and take care of yourself first. Lots of love Ryan

  108. Ryan says:

    This will be one of last post for a while. I will make a comment
    about what you said at the end of your article Stacey “the option
    of suicide might be the very thing that helps some people to stay alive” Yes that is 100 percent true for my situation and maybe others.

    The option of suicide is one of the only things I feel I have control
    over. I actually feel happiness that I am in control of taking my
    own life. The fear that someone else will be able to take my life
    is one of the greatest fears I have.

  109. Ryan says:

    I have witnessed, experienced and second hand experienced murders, stabbings. shootings, rape, suicide, sexual abuse, jail and prison violence, watched people shoot up heroin and meth under the bridge when I was a kid, Experienced extreme domestic violence exposed to lots of pornography as a child, beatings by groups of male and female friends from high school because I was fat and not tough. I used to hit myself in the face with all my force with my fist and an aluminum baseball bat to see how much I can take.

    I put cigarettes out on my my legs and hold my hands on the stove as long as I can. I also stab myself in the thigh with 2-3 inch long knives (that hurts really bad). I put my 22 rifle in my mouth and in my mind felt the bullet go though my jaw out the side of my head, at the same time I almost ate a whole bottle of extra strength tylenol to destroy my liver, that is when I admitted my self to the ER.

    Most men are violent creatures and unlike women we are more able and look to physically kill or intimitate each other easily. I watch people that follow me home all the time I avoid people since I was mugged and beaten many times by both men and women just by walking down the wrong side of the street at night as a kid. I have had police show up to my house many times to ask me about crimes I never commited such as being a fugitive or harboring a fugitive, breaking into cars and shooting peoples tail lights out, all of these things turned out to be they got the wrong house.

    I am at the point where I don’t have the strength to defend myself the most I can do is shake my head and say no or just finally give in if the stress was too much, since I can’t deal at all with stress anymore.

    When you feel like that there is no hope because it hurts to walk, you have a hard time breathing, you have heart failure, like I do, your children are a burden (I envy you because I have none i’ll be 40 in June), you lost a loved one (that one can be tough I lost 30 people I cared about to suicide, cancer or heart attacks), you lost your home, job, are depressed or whatever the problem is, when are you ready to end your life that is the most frightening thing that will ever happen in a persons life, the thought of not being on this Earth any longer and buried in the dirt not knowing if there is an after life of not since no one has died and come back can make the feeling at the moment of suicide frightening.

  110. cristal says:

    suicide thoughts in my opinion do not go away. Once you have thought of it once, it will come back more and more for as long as you allow it to happen.

    • Ryan says:

      90 percent of what you said is true except for the last part “as long as you allow it to happen” sometimes it happens to us, allowing is not involved or as a reoccurring nightmare of thoughts that were never invoked.

  111. Kate says:

    I’ve been lost in depression for the last 7-8 months but the last 2 I’ve had suicidal thoughts every day. Nothing I do seems to stop them. There are times they are so strong I’ve had to pull over the car, cry and just ride out the urge. None of this is normal for me, there’s no end in sight. I did promise a friend to try therapy for the first time and I’ve been to a couple of appointments, but due to scheduling, I’m not set to see her again for 3 weeks. I’m not sure how or when to bring this up and I’m worried 3 weeks seems like forever.

    • Cory says:

      I hear you on the suicidal ideology as I have had those thoughts for many years on and off. I was diagnosed as having Major Depression Disorder with anxiety. I have had at least 8 suicide attempts in the last year where I acted on them and just ended up in emergency for the night except for a one week stay in the hospital last year. I have managed to push through some thoughts last time I wanted to commit suicide. I often think of suicide as my only way out of certain situations because right now I can’t see myself as having any kind of future. I graduated from college 2 yrs ago can’t find a job in the field. I’m getting older and at my age it is difficult to get someone to hire me because of age. I have a case manager and peer support worker but the feelings I get of suicidal ideology are so strong sometimes that it is very difficult for me to deal with them. I wish I didn’t have mental illness it only complicates so many things in me life. Sometimes I think it would just be better if I weren’t here and then I wouldn’t feel like a burden to anyone.

    • Ryan says:

      Kate yeah therapist now seem to see their clients once a month it used to be back in the 80’s and 90’s that therapist would allow to see their clients once a week. Don’t be sad that you pulled over to cry your mind is trying to vent it is normal and quite healthly it’s like self therapy. take care and lots of Love, Ryan

  112. This is my first time visiting your blog and I am glad to have found you. It will help me as a psychologist to keep this issue in the forefront. I also teach DBT skills group to people in a private practice setting. Tamara Suttle informed me of this blog so I have her and you to thank for being here.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Loren,

      Thank you for visiting my blog. DBT is good for people with chronic suicidal thoughts, so I’m glad you found your way to this spot.

      It’s apt that Tamara Suttle led you here, because the site would not exist without her. I took her wonderful online workshop, BlogStart for Therapists, and she was basically an expert midwife. 🙂

    • David Crichton says:

      I think DBT skills has been greatly hyped by Marsha Linehan as a typical American major income generator, with biased research, which seems to ignore the fact that it is most widely used in USA and yet the suicide rates are increasing there more than most places in the world
      In reality every suicide is different and there is no panacea for helping prevent deaths
      All the charities have an approach which is kind but no evidence of success

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        David,

        I don’t think it’s fair to say that the United States’ increasing rates of suicide are evidence that DBT doesn’t work. Very few people in the U.S. receive DBT, and of those who do, research shows that, on average, they experience less suicidal behavior than those who receive “treatment as usual.” I also haven’t seen any evidence that Dr. Linehan’s research is biased. Have you? She and her research team actually employ randomized controlled trials, which are considered the “gold standard” for obtaining valid research results.

        I do agree with you though that there is no “panacea” for helping to prevent suicide. Different things work for different people, and sadly, some people do not receive anything that helps them. (That doesn’t necessarily mean that nothing could help them, only that they haven’t encountered it.) Suicide is a complex social and medical phenomenon without a single cause or cure.

      • david says:

        The research she has done has greatly increased her status and income I would exepect, but there is NO evidence that introducing her programs into a new area has ever reduced the number of suicides in the area. All manner of assumptions are made in her research papers, which are clearly biased I feel ( I was a research lead)

      • david says:

        The research she has done has greatly increased her status and income I would expect, but there is NO evidence that introducing her programs into a new area has ever reduced the number of suicides in the area. All manner of assumptions are made in her research papers, which are clearly biased I feel ( I was a research lead)

      • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

        David,

        I think the concept of ecological fallacy applies here. Unless we’re talking about a massive public health intervention (e.g, fluoridation of water to prevent caries), there’s no reason to think that introducing a therapeutic approach that only a small number of people receive would lower the suicide rates for everyone. Nor can we assume that people who died by suicide in that area received her intervention. I’ll add that no intervention is 100% effective. People with diabetes who use insulin still can die of diabetes.

        I feel strongly about this because I believe Dr. Linehan is a truly excellent intervention researcher whose work provides a model for others to follow.

  113. Milestiba says:

    I am at a total loss. My latest “flare up” has seemed to span the length of almost nine months. Everyone has there own theory (which they are more than happy to share with me) of what I “really” believe or “really” feel after I explain exactly what I believe or feel and… well, I am fed up with it.

    I was going to kill myself (or at least give it one more “college try”) in June… on my 40th birthday. It didn’t happen. Everyone… again with the “everyone” (that is worse than the infamous “they” who will do Lord only knows if “they” ever find out)… I have talked to gleans their own true understanding of why I am really still alive when I tell them my actual answer. Now, I no longer want to kill myself for the reasons I originally had… I just am so exhausted and furious hearing what people determine is “really” the case. And I am tired of lying so they will leave me alone. Why can’t anyone listen to me, believe me, and really help me?

    I don’t expect anything out of life anymore. The only person that I ever thought really loved me because of how they showed it ended up utterly destroying my life. She was supposed to be my therapist. We got spun into the most codependent, volitile, emotionally charged relationship (which I later found out she chose to continue even when she came under investigation of the Board of Psych) and when I got browbeat into reporting her… well, her family retaliated hard – which was easy as politically and legally connected as they were. No matter how many times I disclose this to new counselors… it seems to cause problems that I have issues in therapy and keep up tons of defenses and walls.

    Anyway, I am alive only because one person has demanded it. You may think family, close friend, lover, spouse, child…? Nope. A crisis counselor I clicked with and developed an attachment to in the course of recurrent calls and talks. I am alive because of a voice on the phone. Due to my disorder… I have not been able to determine to whom I will develop an attachment. I can only recognize it and choose what to do following that. But based on how damaging some recent past attachments have been when I revealed them, I don’t much anymore. I did try to tell this person and others, but everyone tells me that the truth is I, myself, want to live and I am fighting extremely hard and yadda yadda. But lying around being horribly, utterly depressed while continuing to breathe doesn’t take much effort. Calling and dealing with her awful colleagues who long ago wrote me off and trying to tell them what is going on takes effort – especially when they hang up, or are dismissive, or tell me things that are argumentative, or all the other awful things they put me through because I promised I would call before irreparable harm is done or before I attempt to die by suicide again. If her colleagues leave me wishing I had just killed myself, I am to wait and try another day to see if she is in. Personally, I don’t want to live. I have no hope of ever getting better. My life – despite hard, intense effort to build back up – has progressively gotten worse over the last 13 years or so. But there is this unexplainable attachment. I am compelled to do absolutely anything requested by such individuals. It used to get me into trouble because others would ask for something and couldn’t get it the way they saw so-and-so get me to do something.

    I think the root of why comes from being raised by a woman who received no treatment for her paranoid schizophrenia and my family saw the effects living with her was having even as I was a young child, but chose to do nothing because they were scared. Someone thought it was a good idea to confirm this when I was an adult. They left me there to live with a woman whose rages made the wrath of God in the Old Testament seem like something that would be most welcome. Child Protection did nothing because there were no bruises, so the laws twenty something years ago stated that I was not abused due to a sense of physical marks. And I was left in a place where only my mother and I lived for years going to bed every night wondering if she would lose it tonight and kill me before she realized it. I swung like a pendulum between wanting her to just get it over with and desperately wanting someone to step in and save me. Too many professionals made it personal and tried to save me. They broke rules, demanded their own secrets with me and actually made things worse. This all I disclose in attempts to get help and counseling, but to no avail end up with a huge mess and misunderstanding.

    So I have a voice. A voice that demands I must stay alive even though the quality of my life is akin to a corpse. And that voice belongs to a real person who gets to go home to her family and friends and gets to enjoy whatever life has brought her through her hard efforts. I will never get to meet that person. Details of her personal struggles and triumphs will never be discovered. In order for that to happen, she’d have to become unprofessional and then I would suffer worse in the end. No, all I will have is a voice. Until there is another connection or attachment that I build. But, I don’t even want to leave my house. Conversations above and beyond ordering food or chatting with the cashier at the grocery store are way too much to deal with now. No contact with people means no new connections.

    Of course, if I choose not to call and don’t have contact with the voice, the attachment might fade and the next time I step out to attempt suicide, I won’t care what that voice wants. If only I had not already had the conversation about how even putting myself into the conditions where suicide becomes more probable is in its own essence… choosing to attempt suicide.

    I feel held hostage in this world. People care less and less about the quality of my life and many times in an effort to just make sure I am at least alive, the result is that my quality lessons. Sometimes quite dramatically.

    Maybe I truly do have a Russian soul. Because I think all this belief that a change is “just around the corner” is just bollocks.

    I almost bought this book to send it to the voice. I love this blog. I like the directness, the honesty, the willingness to engage in tough debate on a tougher topic than most. But I had included a message that our contract is null and void. That was a BPD impulse. So I cancelled it. Maybe one day I can find a counselor whom I get to see in person and this book can be a way to get some good talking going. One day… IF I keep choosing to breathe, live, or more accurately… if I continue to just barely exist.

    All that to say… I love the blog. Here I find some solace and if you’ve read this whole thing, I believe it has been established that I definitely need solace. So, thank you.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Milestiba,

      I did indeed read the whole thing, and I hope fervently that you get more solace. Your description of what you’ve gone through, both as a child and more recently, is heartbreaking. I’m grateful that you connected with the voice – and the person who possesses it – on the phone. I hope that there are other voices for you to connect with, too, whether in person, on the phone, online, or wherever. I hope that you will keep trying even though your efforts have too often been met with pain or betrayal.

      You’re also a great writer. Have you thought of writing for TheMighty.com? Here’s a link for more information: https://themighty.com/submit-a-story/

      And if you need numbers or information about more places where there might be someone you connect with, please check out the site’s Resources Page.

      Finally, thank you for your kind words about the blog. I’m grateful that it gives you some solace.

      Please feel free to drop back in and let us know how you’re doing.

  114. Patti says:

    I think you are totally off base with your ‘theories’ about chronic suicidal thoughts. I’m not the only one who thinks life is overrated, and look forward to it being done. In my early confrontation with the decision to live or die, I just couldn’t believe it was random and meaningless, theres got to be more to why we’re here. So, I don’t think humans are capable of making a choice of that magnitude. It compelled me to make life the best it can be, if I’m going to be alive. And I have. But I’m always looking forward to getting it over with.
    I don’t have BPD, I DO have lifelong depression, I don’t make attempts, but I have reached a point where I truly feel like there isn’t any hope. I just wish It would end, someone shoot me, cancer, etc. I’ve done my part for years, I’m tired of the effort it takes.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Patti,

      Thanks for sharing. What you have to say is very important, and I’m sorry that life has been so meaningless for you.

      I’d love to hear more about why the theories in this post are “totally off base,” because what you wrote here seems pretty consistent with what’s written in the post. Is it that you think it’s off base to attest that people can learn to cope better and develop reasons for living?

      Whatever the case, I hope you will check out Speaking of Suicide’s Resources page for people who have suicidal thoughts. It’s possible that one of the resources listed there could be of help to you.

  115. Randall P. Robinson says:

    In her marvelously insightful book, My Bright Shining Star: A Mother’s True Story of Brilliance, Love & Suicide, the late Rhonda Sellers Elkins (who, herself, died of suicide), made the poignant decision to publish the suicide note of her daughter, Kaitlyn, who perished, also of suicide, less than a year-and-a-half earlier. I had actually encouraged Rhonda to include it for publication in her book since I felt that it gave incredible insights into the mind of a chronically and persistently depressed suicidal person. It remains, in my judgment, the most beautiful, insightful, and eloquent suicide letter ever penned.

    In her departure letter, Kaitlyn, an intellectually gifted high school valedictorian and then 23 year-old student in her third year of medical school at Wake Forest University, wrote, inter alia, “I am so dreadfully sorry for the unimaginable pain and hurt that I have caused you by taking my life. I am sorry for hiding from you that I was so deeply sad. I am sorry for not letting you know that I felt like I simply no longer wanted to live my life. I am sorry that I didn’t let you in on the perpetual despair I lived in. Depression is nothing new to me, I can’t remember a time in my life in which I didn’t feel like I was barely treading water. I never told you how pervasive it was because I wanted to protect you from it, and I wanted to protect myself from it. But I have finally decided that I’d rather just not exist. I have found myself happy on occasion, and I have had many pleasurable things in my life, but mostly I feel overwhelmingly sad and exhausted from the weight of it. I would just rather not endure it any longer. I would have died years ago, but I couldn’t bring myself to cause you such sadness and heartache. I still can’t bear to think of the hurt this brings you, but I just can’t go on.”

    Elsewhere, in the same note, she continued, “I know I had such a seemingly bright future, and I know I would have been such a successful doctor and wife and mother. But all I have ever desperately wished for is to not feel like not existing would be preferable to being who I am and living the life I live. But that’s never been true. And that’s deeply sad and horrible and possibly terribly unfair. But that is how I feel and how I’ve felt for longer than I can remember. It may be inadequate and it may not justify my action, but it is the best explanation I have.

    I hope you will forgive me. I hope you can be happy again. I hope you can find the strength to endure this burden I‘ve placed upon you. And I hope you will never doubt how much I love you.”

    Kaitlyn’s last written words are a powerful testimony evidencing the thoughts and mind processes of a person who has struggled with chronic and persistent suicidal thoughts. As a society, we must redouble our efforts to make it easier for those who suffer from chronic suicidal thoughts to express their inner turmoil and make it known to others so that, as you say, Dr. Freedenthal, “they can be helped to develop problem-solving abilities, coping skills, hopefulness, and reasons for living that will make the option of suicide unnecessary.”

    • mic says:

      “As a society, we must redouble our efforts to make it easier for those who suffer from chronic suicidal thoughts to express their inner turmoil and make it known to others so that, as you say, Dr. Freedenthal, “they can be helped to develop problem-solving abilities, coping skills, hopefulness, and reasons for living that will make the option of suicide unnecessary.”

      And make it easier for them to just die, if the person feels that such would be the best course of action for them. Not every case of suicidal ideation can be solved in the way that you’ve described, and people deserve to have the right to exerise autonomy over their own existence.

  116. Nightsong says:

    I’m glad you mentioned that chronic thoughts of suicide aren’t always from Borderline Personality Disorder. In my experience, being mislabeled with BPD led to a reluctance to hospitalize me even when the thoughts were so intense & unbearable that I legitimately could not keep myself safe. For the extensive amount of time that I’ve been coping with suicidal thoughts, Al’s ChronicSuicideSupport.com forum has been invaluable in being able to talk about how I’m feeling when things are difficult.

    Yes, the option of suicide can sometimes be the only way to survive- when things seem so out of control and you can’t make anything better, at least you’re in control (ish) of suicide…

    I’m not sure if I’ve already shared this with you, but I gave a sermon at my church about my journey with depression & suicide that you may be interested in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AftiXHnDu2U&t=4s

  117. Michael Hutton says:

    I was told by a doctor even though I talked about suicide I would never do it and they told me just keep taking your antidepressants you will be fine regardless to whether I will or not the thoughts are still there however I have stopped taking my meds as my dumb doctor has put me on Sertraline 100mg, which the side effect causes my heart to speed up this would be fine if I was not on beta blockers for my heart to slow down

    • Janice Taylor says:

      Oh my Gosh Michael Hutton how on earth can a doctor put you on medications with contra indications that one makes your heart to speed up whilst another to slow it down, do some doctors know what they are doing. There are some anti depressants that do not speed your heart up and it may well be worth your while to change your doctor and go on to something that will help with depression, as being totally without any treatment for depression might not be a good idea unless you are sure the depression is not a problem anymore which for most of us it is a chronic condition especially when suicidal thoughts have been a lifetime habit, I have had suicidal thoughts all my life and been on anti depressants since I was 24, I am 62 now and I have researched all these subjects to do with medications and depression etc. Anyway this is just my 10 cents worth, and I hope you get the help you deserve. from Janice

  118. Al Jones says:

    Well, Stacey it took you long enough to get to this entry! 🙂
    I love Frank Kings comment because it’s a natural for me. Now I know where I got that, I’ve used it myself a few times.
    Oddly I’ve heard this from several people – the Suicide Prevention Hotline doesn’t know how to work with those of us who have decided that suicide is an option. One person I know who was getting stressed was asked if they could hold for a few minutes while the hotline took care of a emergency.
    And, on that note, I like this article and will, of course, point my forum members to it, so I think you can expect more input from them.

    • Stacey Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW says:

      Thanks, Al! You also might be interested in taking a look at my book. I write about the need for professionals to validate the wish to die, to acknowledge that suicide is an option, to encourage acceptance and observation of suicidal thoughts, to not engage in a power struggle, etc. – all actions that likely would be a welcome change for many people with chronic suicidal thoughts.

      I look forward to hearing from your forum members at chronicsuicidesupport.com.

      • elean says:

        I want to say that people who consider this as an end to their suffering should not be judged.
        No one has any idea what is in their mind, body, soul. Usually very few know how that person feels and dismiss it.
        So don’t judge!!!!

      • Wayne French says:

        To take something away from a world of people that do or could love you when you see how brave the terminally ill children die fighting and that choice of life is taken from them maybe we should think or listen to what these fallen and falling babies would say and then I hope you will find your will and live to smile another day!

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